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$100,000.00 PER MONTH is being paid to local art installers!

Discussion in 'Job Openings/Wants' started by Art Installer Network, Feb 7, 2017.

  1. Art Installer Network

    Art Installer Network True Grumbler

    No, that's not a typo. Art Installer Network is expected to pay out over $1,500,000.00 to the nation's art installers and mural hangers this year.

    It doesn't get any easier than this! We've has completely automated the art installation process! Customers click on a city and they're connected to the local installer. High-tech support! Electronic sign-off sheets, shared cloud folders, automated notifications, video conferencing for site surveys and instant, direct deposit/ transfer of funds.

    We have the United States and Canada divvied up by region and are looking for installers to take the work in their respective area. And we're expanding into Germany, Italy and Japan to cover the art being installed in US military bases. Jobs range from $115.50 to over $10500.00 (paid out last week to one installer who installed standoffs and behavioral health frames for 2 weeks at the new hospital in Fort Riley, KS!)

    Get in on the ground level. Register now as the art installer for your city and realize the number of art projects you had no idea were happening!


    Join NOW!

    (A.I.N. is the Uber of art installers, paying out 75% of the total bill often within minutes of a project's completion.)

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  2. i-FRAMER

    i-FRAMER MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Anyone doing this? Interested how well it works for you.
  3. artfolio

    artfolio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Paying 75% of the bill??

    I would be a bit wary of this outfit and would like to know how much they cream off as commission.
  4. Art Installer Network

    Art Installer Network True Grumbler

    Bring out the calculators, folks.

    25% commission.

    (We have operating expenses, too.)
  5. Paul Cascio

    Paul Cascio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Maybe you have to remove the art from the Louvre and install it in a getaway vehicle?
    artfolio likes this.
  6. PAckerman

    PAckerman True Grumbler

  7. Art Installer Network

    Art Installer Network True Grumbler

  8. cjmst3k

    cjmst3k SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Got an email from them a while back. We don't do installations aside from what we sell. We were requested to install a bracket system for license plates in a Denny's. So "art" might be a stretch.
    FM Framer likes this.
  9. artfolio

    artfolio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Looking at this I believe it may provide a useful service for businesses or homeowners looking for art installation but outside of major cities is there really that much demand for this service? Hanging a picture at home is not exactly rocket science and most art galleries and museums would probably employ their own installers. Likewise, Hotels etc would probably use whoever their renovators recommended.

    If I was paying 25% commission on a job I would have to factor that into my quote and it may be very hard to do that and stay competetive.
  10. Art Installer Network

    Art Installer Network True Grumbler

    That's not quite how it works. Installers get 75% of what the client is charged which is pre-set and calculated on a per-piece basis. As an average, a project consisting of +/-70 3-point security pieces (averaging $15/pc), +/-40 4-barrel standoffs (av. $25/pc) or +/-25 mental health frames (av $35/pc) would present about a $1000 charge to the client and a $750 payment to the installer. A very good installer will knock those pieces out in a day and would be paid without taxes being withheld, with the money deposited directly into their bank account likely on that same day. If they needed gas or lodging to get to the project, they were paid that money before the project even started. But nothing personal folks, most professional framers can't hang at that pace. You spent years framing. We spent years installing. An average installer is more likely to hang 2/3rds that rate in a day. They're still getting that $750 for the project, but they're not making the money as quickly as the fast installer. A day's pay for them would be closer to $500, with the project taking a day and a half to complete. I can't pay slow installers more than I pay fast installers but I do find more work for fast installer and since they get it done faster, they make more money. But having said that, our clients are the art providers, who come to us to keep their projects smooth and within budget, not the art installer. But since we have zero turn-over with installers, and a 1000% annual growth with clients, I think we're being very fair to everyone.
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2017
  11. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Um - what?

    Sounds like something we could all use . . .
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  12. artfolio

    artfolio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Sorry, but I don't buy this business model.

    If you add payments to any third parties between the end user and the supplier of a service that cost has to be bourne by someone, either by the end user as a higher price or by the providor as reduced remuneration for his/her work or maybe a bit of both.

    As that great philosopher Arnold Schwartzneggar said on the poster for his cinematic masterpiece "Commando"

    "somewhere, Somehow, Someone's gonna pay"
  13. i-FRAMER

    i-FRAMER MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    There are a couple of questions arise. If the payment is going to art installer network, then art installer is the contractor, and therefore i am assuming they cover public liability and insurance?
    For me this would be alright to send a staff member to do, if you had staff to spare. But in my shop turn over at least a $1000 worth of sales day which some days can be 1 piece, or 10 pieces. either way achievable.

    I think it could be a good add on for a handy man, or a business with a few staff. But for a smaller frame shop i would be weary.
  14. Art Installer Network

    Art Installer Network True Grumbler

    I'm not trying to sell you anything, but I think you're under-estimating the amount of time, money and effort an art provider invests in getting their art installed. Many companies have installers, installation coordinators and legal counsel on staff, and pay their insurance and benefits whether they work or not. But the clients who use us are thinning their staff, operating more efficiently and they're saving an incredible amount of money. What if they don't use their own installers? Then they're saving an incredible amount of time by not needing to search around for installers for every job. They don't mind paying a little extra for that service. BUT those clients aren't spending that time in the break room, they're spending it making more sales calls and they're getting more business. In essence, we allow art dealers to deal more art.

    Now let's go to the installer side of the equation. These projects are ready to hang and installers are investing nothing to get them. Retail pricing includes marketing/advertising/administrative expenses/billing and interest expenses which in this case are our expenses, so we don't pay them retail. But though an installer will be earning less money, since they had less expenses, their take-home pay remains about the same. And since we run more efficiently as a Network that any installer does as an individual, our overall expenses are less and we can pull profits where none were had before.

    So yeah, the numbers work.
  15. Art Installer Network

    Art Installer Network True Grumbler

    Regarding liability, we are a referral agency for the art providers and a marketing agency for the art installers. We are not an installation company. We are no more responsible for the installer than we are for his working conditions. But I have dumped a few clients who expected installers to pay for unclaimed damages and I will not work with them again. I don't need to.

    This is from our homepage:

    "Here’s a scenario that happens every now and then. A scratch (or a dent or chipped glass) is found on an installed piece.

    Who is RESPONSIBLE for that damage?

    The damage may have occurred while the piece was in production, in transit or during installation. Regardless. We all know who did NOT damage it.


    If you’re an art provider who places financial responsibility on an installer to pay for damages, that policy is short-sighted and will cost you more money in the long run. When an affordable installer takes a loss on one of your jobs, he will not work for you again and he very well may not work with me again. And if I’m investing time, effort and money so that your project runs smoothly and that investment is lost because of a damaged piece, I will also not work with you again. You’ll once again be spending time, money and effort looking an expensive installer. And then what if HE ends up with a damaged piece?

    If you’re appreciating the services and the savings of Art Installer Network, then put a little bit of that saved money into a fund to cover the occasional repair and let’s keep working together.

    Look at the big picture."
  16. Pat Murphey

    Pat Murphey SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Then don't do business with them. Geez! This place has turned into an attack zone.
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  17. simplymatted

    simplymatted SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    One little question. Average install pays $750 a day. 30 days a month. 30 X $750 comes to $22,500. Where does the $100,000 come from?
  18. Art Installer Network

    Art Installer Network True Grumbler

  19. Art Installer Network

    Art Installer Network True Grumbler

    Your math is addressing one installer working. There are have been days when there were as many as 20 installers working simultaneously throughout the country on projects ranging from one piece in a residence to 1100 pieces at a Pensacola naval base.
  20. AaronF

    AaronF CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Just a little FYI about the Pricing Guide, Welcome to the Network page. When I select my country as Canada, and then go to select the closest city, it's showing Regina and Saskatoon under Ontario. The largest city in Canada is not even listed! hehe

    Another small glitch is the "expand" and collapse" button/selections. Once expanded it won't collapse and remove the display options.

    Just let me know when it's fixed and I'll register under Toronto. =)

    Have a great weekend,
  21. Art Installer Network

    Art Installer Network True Grumbler

  22. AaronF

    AaronF CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Registered! =)
  23. Bob Carter

    Bob Carter SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Every so often a thread comes up about 'joining'. PPFA threads come to mind. There are those that not only do not wish to participate but want to tell others why they shouldn't either?

    What is so difficult in a simple 'No, Thank You. Not for me'

    If this opportunity does not appeal, great! Others can do so, also. Earnings claim overstated? Suppose it was $50K? Or $10K?

    It might be a nice fit for someone else; do your own due diligence
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2017
  24. artfolio

    artfolio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Point taken, Bob.

    Of course all of us need to look at this in the light of our own needs and abilities but there is nothing wrong with a discussion highlighting the possible advantages / disadvantages of the scheme.

    With so many scam artists out there a few different eyes on anything new is useful.
  25. Pat Murphey

    Pat Murphey SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Not when the discussion is accusatory, without evidence...
  26. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    You can always ask to see the books, but that probably won't happen.
    Then you can ask for reviews from that people that have worked with the service. I suppose that it will be selective in response.
    What was the term? Your mileage may vary? YMMV?
    As with all business deals... caveat emptor. (Buyer Beware).
  27. njw1224

    njw1224 CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I don't doubt that these folks are who they say. Nor do I doubt that they pay the percentage they say. I don't think they're a scam or bogus at all. I just don't think many of us would really make much money for the time invested. Look at the example quoted here. So really - 135 installed pieces in a day? If I work a 7.5 hour day with a 30 minute lunch break, that works out to 18 works installed per hour - or one piece installed every 3.33 minutes! Maybe if all 135 pieces were the same size, hung at the same height, not spread out over too large an area, and I could reach them standing so there would be no need for moving a ladder. But even then, if I have to install the hardware on the back of the frames, then the wall, add in measuring and leveling time, and the client expecting you to clean up any drywall dust/mess you've made - I don't see even a great installer consistently installing a piece every 3.33 minutes for 7.5 hours. If there's an installer doing that somewhere, let me know where so I can just go watch, as it would be very entertaining and exciting. I say that's at least a 2-day job for even a good installer. And I'm no slouch. I've done lots of installing of all sorts - homes, offices, hotel lobbies. And I was the curator of a public art gallery for years, installing about 6 exhibits per year, some of which had over 100 works. So I got very good and very quick at measuring and installing work. I just think the income potential claims here are a bit inflated for most of us. You'd probably average out making a few hundred dollars a day, IMHO. Now, that's not bad money at all for some folks. If that interests you at all, then you should definitely check this out.
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2017
  28. Art Installer Network

    Art Installer Network True Grumbler

    70 security pieces OR 40 standoffs OR 25 mental health frames . . . these are EACH examples of a day's work. Those 135 pieces would be 3 days of work @ $750/day.
  29. njw1224

    njw1224 CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Oh, that makes more sense then! My apologies. The "or" between each item reads much clearer. Thanks for the clarification.
  30. Cshirm

    Cshirm Grumbler in Training

    Please email me info about this- I have hung 20's of thousands of pieces in my career as a frame shop owner and would like to know more-
    Smaller town in N Indiana. How much work do you have in this area? Email please- I am not on grumble frequently....

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