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#2 Pan-head Screws? Yes!

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by MitchelC, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. MitchelC

    MitchelC MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Years ago, when I joined The Grumble, going over several posts, I came across someone who came up with the idea of using pan-head screws instead of eye-screws. Great idea, I have been doing so ever since. If any of you don't know what i am talking about, THIS is the location, just scroll up and down to find it....

    Now, the question is #2 Pan-head Screws? For what? A customer came in and chose a moulding that was only 1/2 inch wide. She wanted 8 frames 12" x 12". The rabbit was only 1/4" wide, leaving me only 1/4" wide area to put VERY small eye-screws. I found only a few in my assorted junk box, but I didn't like 'em because you would see a lot of the eye-screw after the frame was hanging. So, I got the idea of trying #2 Pan-head screws instead. I went to a local hardware store and got a couple of dozen. They worked perfectly. #2 Pan-head screws are good to keep in stock if you sell any moulding 3/8", 1/2", and 5/8" wide and the frame is too big to use a saw-tooth hanger. So, just to give you an idea, see the photo below. ☺
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  2. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Along with your screws, I would recommend using Infinity hangers (small, flat figure-8 shaped), available from 888 Supplies. They would give you something substantial to which to attach your wire, and are useful for a number of other purposes too. Ever since I discovered these many years ago, I have never purchased a single screw eye.
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  3. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I'll bet you're talking about the DITH (Direct-In-The-Hole) method, as described in this old thread. If you want more threads on this method, search the archives of this forum for "DITH".

    I experimented with it a lot back in 2006, and still have several frames hanging by that method at home. After almost 13 years, they're still intact - no signs of the wire or wood weakening. The nay-sayers were just being cautious, but their fears apparently were unfounded. To this day, I have not found a cheaper, better way to install a hanging wire on a wood frame.

    #2 seems small, but in any hanging system, the limiting factors usually are (1) the wall, and (2) the wood frame. A properly-selected size of wire probably would not fail unless it were cut, and in my limited experience, screws only break if they're tightened too much.

    In the application you have described here, my first concern would be the tendency of the thin wood frame to split from the pulling-force of the wire. Also, in your photo it looks like you just wrapped the wire around the screw, which could be a problem, because the screw-threads are cut sharply and could sever the wire over time. In my development of the DITH method, the best procedure I found was to place the end of the wire in a carefully-drilled hole and use a washer to press the wire wrappings into the wood. Done right, there's almost no stress on the wire by the time it gets to the hole.
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  4. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Yes, Infinity Hangers are very useful. I use them as turnbuttons and small, custom-bent offsets to attach stacked mouldings. and as wire attachments go, they are far superior to screw eyes.
  5. MitchelC

    MitchelC MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Hi Jim. The frame is hardwood (ramin). The chance of it splitting is less than using eyescrews even if the wood is a softwood. The #2 screw is 3/8" long. The finished product was very light (less than a pond AND with regular glass!). Th size wire I used was #2 (15 lb. max.). ☺☺☺
  6. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    I use narrow Flangers on frames that narrow. And pre-drill the holes of course.
  7. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Another practical use for custom-bent ones is for attaching signed drum heads in shadowboxes. It is totally reversible, and has the added benefit of mimicking the lugs that hold the hoop and head on a drum.

    :cool: Rick
  8. MitchelC

    MitchelC MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    #2 x 3/8" Stainless Steel Sheet Metal Screws: 1¢ ea.
  9. Peter Odems

    Peter Odems SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God


    Small bags that hang in stores in lengths up to 1200 mm.
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