Advice purchasing pneumatic underpinners Cassese CS2 vs Gielle Arrow F1000

FrameGeezer

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Hello all!

New member here! Wondering if I could get some advice here,

We're looking at either purchasing x2 Cassese CS2's or x2 Gielle Arrow F1000, however our dealer has not been very helpful in helping us pick the correct equipment. :(

Cassese CS2 is a free standing machine, the Gielle is worktop mounted, this shouldn't make a real difference to us.

Can anyone here impart some wisdom from experience as to which machine they preferred. Priorities for us are:

1. Speed
2. Reliability
3. Ease of use.

For reference we'll be using these to assemble around 300 giclee frames a day, and speed is essential, however the mouldings we use are mostly the same profile, so we don't need the machine to store profiles.

Any advice would be super welcome!

Thanks :)
 
There are many framers that use the Cassese and like it, I'm not one of those framers because I like ITW Amp, but Cassese has a good track record and is well thought of in the framing industty. Parts are easy to get and information about repairs will be much easier since so many framers use the Cassese. I have not heard anything good or bad about the Gielle Arrow F1000 so I would be very hesitant about purchasing one. It could be that in Europe the Gielle Arrow F1000 is a more popular machine and maybe other framers in Europe will be able to give you some info about the Gielle Arrow F1000 but here in the US my money is on the Cassese.
 
There are many framers that use the Cassese and like it, I'm not one of those framers because I like ITW Amp, but Cassese has a good track record and is well thought of in the framing industty. Parts are easy to get and information about repairs will be much easier since so many framers use the Cassese. I have not heard anything good or bad about the Gielle Arrow F1000 so I would be very hesitant about purchasing one. It could be that in Europe the Gielle Arrow F1000 is a more popular machine and maybe other framers in Europe will be able to give you some info about the Gielle Arrow F1000 but here in the US my money is on the Cassese.

Hi Joe, thanks for taking the time and sharing your findings. From the point the foot pedal is pressed, is there much of a delay for the wedge to be driven in, or is it a 1 second operation from start of pedal activation to finish on the Cassese?

Would be interesting to hear how the Gielle stacks up against the Cassese, or even the Alfamacchine underpinners? (From what I can see on youtube the Alfmachine U300 does seem to operate quite slowly)
 
Hi Joe, thanks for taking the time and sharing your findings. From the point the foot pedal is pressed, is there much of a delay for the wedge to be driven in, or is it a 1 second operation from start of pedal activation to finish on the Cassese?

Would be interesting to hear how the Gielle stacks up against the Cassese, or even the Alfamacchine underpinners? (From what I can see on youtube the Alfmachine U300 does seem to operate quite slowly)

I have a Cassesse in my shop - love it - never an issue. no adjustments for different wedge sizes, just load a magazine a go. "The delay" is only as long as you make it - or very quickly. Larson Juhl Stocks wedges and misc parts for it (along with other vendors). (I used to have a ITW/AMP/miter mite - never again).
 
From the point the foot pedal is pressed, is there much of a delay for the wedge to be driven in, or is it a 1 second operation from start of pedal activation to finish on the Cassese?

There are two places with the ITW Amp - 1/2 way down to get the pressure pad to hold the moulding in place and the fully down to drive the v nail. It has been a while since I used a Cassese so I don't want to mislead you by giving you incorrect information. I've owned several Cassesse unpinners, mostly for resale, and I have tried using them in my shop. I could never get as tight of a corner with the Cassesse as I can with the ITW. Also, I think the ITW Amp is a stronger built machine and I have not had a single issue with it since I purchased it 14 years ago.

If I were you, before I purchase a Cassesse, ITW Amp, Gielle, or any other machine I would first demand a demonstration and I would contact present owners that have these types of machines and ask them questions. The people that sell the machines are always going to tell you their brands are the best, that is being a salesperson. If you can see each machine and see a demonstration of the machine it will be easier for you to figure out what machine is best suited for you. just my opinion Joe
 
You know what they say about opinions.......

Yup, they are like ........ we all have one. Thank goodness, that is what makes this world so nice, we all have our personal opinions for certain reasons, if we all liked exactly the same thing it would make this a pretty boring world.
 
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Yup, they are like ........ we all have one. Thank goodness, that is what makes this world so nice, we all have our personal opinions for certain reasons, if we all liked exactly the same thing it would make this a pretty boring world.

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