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Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by Ray Bragg, Nov 11, 2010.

  1. etlock

    etlock CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Remembering the past ????

    I really enjoy reminiscing my framing experiences. However, I have found many people find hearing about ones past, to be boring. Its like watching someone elses " home movies " "Who were these people ? " Besides its much safer to talk about the future since it hasn't happened yet and no one can call you on it !

    Reporting on the past is dangerous on the G, many don't see the industries past as I do and I am too old to invite criticism and defend memory.

    Lurking is more fun unless I have something important to say that may affect someones future , positively.

    Friend Tom Pavlock
  2. drandall

    drandall CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Well I was beginning to think there weren't any framers with 40+ years left but me. Wrong!

    We with 40+ started when cutting a mats was with a straight edge, beveled bar and a hand held single edge razor or utility knife. For me it was about '69 to help pay the way through art school.

    Yes, I still paint too. There's never enough hours in any day.

    Unfortunately even a good framer today is relegated to a low status in our society, in my opinion, except by others in the business. Most don't last very long in it, not because they don't enjoy it, but because of economics. Pay is not very high and it's unfortunately not an easy business. Is there anyone in this just for the great money? Even in the best of times it's not a simple business to run.

    My 2 cents.
  3. couture's gallery

    couture's gallery PFG, Picture Framing God

    ....I'm in it for the great money...still waiting, where is it?.

    when my ship came in...I was at the airport.
  4. RParrish

    RParrish PFG, Picture Framing God

    I am officially old I need a heating pad tonight.
  5. nikfrz

    nikfrz SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I guess I was at the airport also.

    So where's my heating pad. Seriously, where is my heating pad??
    Gotta find it.
  6. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Just ask the pat down screeners to rub out your aching muscles for you.:D
  7. cjones1344

    cjones1344 CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Guess I win. I turned 24 last week, been framing for 6 years, started framing when I started college.
  8. PicturedFramer

    PicturedFramer MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I'm 62 been framing since '07. I feel like a whipper snapper with 3.5 years in the biz (compared to above). Learned everything about the biz from the G. I won't be doing this forever though, not enough money in it. I just can't figure how you guys have done this for so long? You must be nuts! Hang in there cj.:bdh:
  9. echavez123

    echavez123 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I will turn 58 on Sun (Nov 21st) and have been framing since 1997, so about 13 years. I let go of my Hi-Tech job in Silicon Valley in 2002 and began doing the art circuit full time in Jan 2003, selling my matted & framed photos. Haven't looked back since.

  10. echavez123

    echavez123 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Well I got the itch to do some data analysis for this thread and as of this post, here are the statistics regarding Grumbler age and experience:

    There were a total of 63 responses in which people stated their age and years of experience. A few stated age but not experience and a few of you did not volunteer age (nikfrz, drandall, neilframer):

    AVERAGE AGE: 47.6 years, AVERAGE EXPERIENCE: 19.7 years


    Age Group >= 70 - 1
    Age Group >= 60 < 70 - 9
    Age Group >= 50 < 60 - 17
    Age Group >= 40 < 50 - 17
    Age Group >= 30 < 40 - 12
    Age Group >= 20 < 30 - 4

    Years Exp >= 50 - 1
    Years Exp >= 40 < 50 - 3
    Years Exp >= 30 < 40 - 8
    Years Exp >= 20 < 30 - 16
    Years Exp >= 10 < 20 - 21
    Years Exp >= 1 < 10 - 10

    So what does all of this mean? The average age is about 47 1/2 years old and most are somewhere between 38-to-58 years old. This seems to indicate that framing is not a young man's type of work, and as we get older, the work becomes too physically demanding.

    The average years of experience is a whopping 19.7, almost 20 years! I suspect this is a bit vague. With respect to the years experience, it might have been more accurate to state how long you have been doing this work full-time. Cutting a mat in 1985 does not necessarily mean 25 years of experience. However, the results are interesting and seem to indicate we Grumblers have a wealth of experience.

    How do you interpret the results?

  11. BatesMotel

    BatesMotel MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I'll be 40 in February, my body feels it already.
    Framing officially for 20 years, but...
    I remember going to a do it it yourself shop in Buffalo with my Mum when I was 6. She had a heck of a time doing it and I finally pushed her out of the way. I wound up nailing the frame and fitting the picture together. I do believe she put the wire on the back. Recently I re famed a piece for her and low and behold the label on the back said professionally framed by: Signed by me, Carla. Had to keep that one, it is pinned up under my tools. Kept framing small things in High School and college. I guess it was just meant to be.
    Owner of my shop for 4 years and one month now! I've come along way baby.

    Carla Bates

    Without the proper frame the painting loses 100%.
    Edouard Manet
  12. Classic Art Bob

    Classic Art Bob SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Well, I started about 32 years ago in June of 1968 for a whopping $2.50 an hour (gee thanks Mom & Dad) and I'll be turning 50 in less than 2 weeks.
  13. etlock

    etlock CGF, Certified Grumble Framer


    My answer is YES ! All to often we tend to discourage younger people by portraying our trade as a great hobby but you can't make money at it. Maybe you will never be Ford motor or GM but I have earned my living at this trade. The only outside source of income in all these years were the few years my wife worked another job.

    Two of our three children graduated college and the other became the best darn picture framer you will find anywhere, all on this industries dime. Today three of our four families derive our incomes from our picture frame business. We now own our 1620 square foot frame shop building and it's rent provides my retirement income.

    During these tough times and the previous downturns of the last 50 years we have survived with food on the table, two cars in the garage, a condo paid for and no business debts. Yes and every nickel came from monies earned in the picture framing industry and we started with $600.00.

    I am not tooting my own horn here, I'm just trying to encourage others who may be discouraged. Go ahead, get in, get your feet wet, work hard, be honest, you will love the industry and it will love you back.

    Tom Pavlock
  14. David N Waldmann

    David N Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    You do mean 1978, don't you? Or are you going to be 60 in two weeks, or did you earn $2.50/hr at 8 years old in 1968...?

  15. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    I'm 58 with 41 years in framing. I guess I left out my age in the original post. :kaffeetrinker_2:
  16. Sarah Trumbauer

    Sarah Trumbauer Grumbler in Training

    I'm 28 and have been framing since I graduated college 7 years ago. Fell into it by accident but somehow it stuck... :)
  17. drandall

    drandall CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Ok, ok I just turned 64.
  18. Harry FKA Harry

    Harry FKA Harry CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I am 491 months old and have been framing for 279 of those. The last 72 have been for myself.
  19. Dave

    Dave SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Wow, Harry! You must have had a lot of stuff stored to frame for yourself!!!

  20. JRB

    JRB PFG, Picture Framing God

    67, I'll be 68 in a few weeks, Dec. 9. I really hate it when 40 & 50 year old wimins call me "sir".

  21. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    63; Will be 64 in December. :cry:

    I really hate it when 20 & 30 year old wimins don't treat me as an object of desire. :fire:
  22. Nickerbocker

    Nickerbocker True Grumbler

    I'm 31 and have my own business, well used to.
  23. GhostFramer

    GhostFramer MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Starting framing when I was a senior in HS, 17 years old. I opened my own framing business last year at 30 years old.
  24. howdytex

    howdytex MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    well i am obviously late to this party.

    here goes, I am 26 and have been framing for 7 years.
  25. Modigity

    Modigity CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Turn 30 in march framing for 3 years now
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