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Question Are you going to the big trade show and convention in Las Vegas Jan 2015?

Discussion in 'The Voting Booth' started by Mike Labbe, Dec 29, 2014.


Will you be attending the WCAF Trade Show and PPFA Convention in VEGAS Jan 2015?

Poll closed Jan 28, 2015.
  1. YES

    16 vote(s)
  2. NO

    9 vote(s)

    2 vote(s)

    0 vote(s)
  1. Mike Labbe

    Mike Labbe Member, Former moderator team volunteer

    This is to test the new polling software, and also to ask a serious question.

    Will you be attending the WCAF show and PPFA convention in Las Vegas at the end of January 2015?

    This is the industry's largest education and framing trade show, by far, and is very affordable for flights and hotels.

    Discussion welcome!
  2. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    INHO It is to costly to go every year and the classes and vendors don't have enough changes to make it worth while. There are a couple vendors I would like to meet with and a couple of classes I wouldn't mind taking but the for $1500.00 plus I would have to spend for the classes, air, lodging, & food, it just isn't economically feasible. I may go this year but I'm 75% sure I won't be going.
  3. Grey Owl

    Grey Owl SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Yes, I will definitely go. I'm a small framer, and the cost is quite a bit (around $1,000 plus classes).

    However, the return I get more than covers the cost.

    For example, I get to meet with my current suppliers. Knowing them and having them know me, means, if I need something I can call and the supplier knows who I am. I can therefore get more immediate responses.

    I can also get great pricing on show specials.

    And I also get to socialize with other framers. That is invaluable.
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  4. Keith L Hewitt

    Keith L Hewitt SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I have long admired this show, with the 100 plus seminars, and written about it in overseas framing magazines.
    Some overseas frame shows have folded since 2000, Spain, France and Germany - 3 good examples. And I firmly believe a contributing factor is because they offered little or no seminars. Rainer Helbing is starting a new German show in Sept 2015, and adding seminars for the first time.

    I met sat next to a framer from Kansas at a seminar in 2009. Her turnover was only 30,000 and she had spent 400 on 8 classes. She told me "All the things I've learnt here will take my business to a new level ".......

    An educated framer is a more profitable framer
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  5. Grey Owl

    Grey Owl SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    So Keith, will you be in Las Vegas again this year. If so, I hope you are feeling much better. Look forward to seeing you and other wonderful framers from around the world.
  6. John Ranes II CPF GCF

    John Ranes II CPF GCF SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    [QUOTE="Keith L Hewitt]...An educated framer is a more profitable framer[/QUOTE]


    I spoke with Maureen at WCAF Registration today and added the PPFA Luncheon "If Frames Could Talk" A7152 to your registration. Look for an email from WCAF. :D

    Sarah is looking forward to having you join her at this Luncheon.

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  7. skye

    skye MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I went last year and the year before- I don't think the boss will be sending me this year. Our CMC is acting like it wants to give up the ghost and he wants to invest in computerized framing software. I have learned LOTS of stuff. (Maybe he'll change his mind...)
    I see that there are new classes- and I was hoping to meet some of the grumblers maybe... O well. There is always next year. :)
  8. Myrna

    Myrna CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Yes, yes, yes! Every year I learn new things that make business better, see friends and make new ones. We need to always be looking to better our business so we are successful and this is one great way to make that happen. It is hard to be away from the store, but I am always glad to have made the trip. Hope to see/meet you soon!
  9. Z David

    Z David MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    This was a poll for the WCAF show last January.

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  10. skye

    skye MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    this just goes to show you- some people are more observant than others... (blush) I was there last year- it was fantastic.
  11. Myrna

    Myrna CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Yep....I noticed it after my post......Still going this year and looking forward to it!
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  12. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I will be going - airline ticket bought, room confirmed, and classes scheduled. Since there was no show in Atlanta in September I decided I had to make the big show in Vegas. I sure wish there were the Atlanta show this year. Oh well.....I learn when I go but I just wish it were somewhere more centralized instead of in Vegas. Vegas is just too costly and it's just as easy for me to learn at somewhere where it isn't so costly. Just my opinion Joe
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2015
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  13. Rob Markoff

    Rob Markoff PFG, Picture Framing God

    Joe B - I hope you will join us Monday night for the Chinese dinner.
  14. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Rob, I would like to but I have a sister that has a ranch outside of Overton, Nevada. Like other years her family will be coming down to take me out - they do know the best neighborhood places to eat so I sure won't miss that. I don't know which night they are coming so I don't want to reserve a spot with you until I know. If it doesn't conflict I will contact you. Thanks for asking. Joe B
  15. Mike Labbe

    Mike Labbe Member, Former moderator team volunteer

    Vegas is about half the price of Atlanta, IMO. :) (for flights *AND* hotels) You can usually get some amazing (under $50 per night) deals at the big hotels, by getting a players club card for that chain/group. (which you can do online)

    Vegas and Orlando are where the cheap flights and hotels are, IMO. (due to high volume/competition)

    I'm not really a gambler, and don't care for Vegas itself - but there is still a lot to do! (and plenty of social gatherings with peers, too)

    We decided to go again this (next) year, but havent booked our flights/hotel/classes yet. It's on the TO DO list :)
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  16. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Mike, I would like to see the show somewhere in the center of the country instead of the far western US. I'm not a gambler either and the shows I feel are way overprices so therefore Vegas is just not an interest to me. You are more than likely right about the cost, it just seems really high to me but I really don't travel that much (HATE AIRPLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:) Cost is the reason I usually go every other year. Oh well...I'll go and enjoy it. I do like meeting with the other framers. Joe

    Mike, FUI it would be nice if we could change our vote on the survey. I voted undecided before but now that I'm going my vote is wrong.
  17. Mike Labbe

    Mike Labbe Member, Former moderator team volunteer

    There are a bunch of events that overlap. bowling event, ppfa dinner, PFM breakfast panel, chinese dinner, hole in the wall (Italian) dinner, breakfast gathering for crepes, breakfast buffet gathering, dinner buffet gathering at the Paris, welcome to vegas reception, australia day dinner, LJ's event, Roma's event, Tru-Vue's event, and several others. There are informal gatherings every night, around the other gatherings.

    Last year a bunch of us kicked in/pooled money to rent a massive limo (about $100-$120 i think, total) and went to dinner together, another night we went to the big wheel over Vegas(with open bar. rofl), etc. Some are for profit/some you just pay your own share, some are free. Some private/some public. Some are invite only for vendors biggest customers. Something for everyone, that's for sure. :)

    Safe travels! I look forward to seeing you!
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2015
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  18. Keith L Hewitt

    Keith L Hewitt SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Mike - I just read your post above - I'm already exhausted, and that's only from reading it :D;)
    After all that socialising I need a lie down :eek:
    Too tired to even contemplate a frame show and 129 SEMINARS
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  19. Grey Owl

    Grey Owl SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Another thought for the first timers .... if you take a cab from the airport. Some drivers ask something along the line of "do you want to go direct through town, with the stop lights, or do you want me to take you via the freeway?".

    Remember the freeway will take you longer and cost more. Just tell them the cheapest way. And the last time one of them tried that with me, when I got to the hotel I said "no tip...you thought I was a fool by your question, and why should I tip someone that thinks I'm a fool". My cab fares are generally $16.00 to $20.00 one way, before tip, depending on traffic. They also have a shuttle bus, but if there is more than one, the cab is close to the same price, I believe.
  20. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I live within driving distance to Atlanta and Vegas is less expensive including the air fare. The hotels in Atlanta are 3 times the price plus had to pay an extra $20 a night to park my car at the hotel.

    The nice thing about Vegas is you don't have to spend a dime for entertainment since you can just check out the themes of the hotels for a mini trip around the world. If you like artwork you will see a large amount of everything you can imagine between the hotel art and galleries. I've been to trade shows in Vegas for decades and it is always new since everything get rebuilt or completely remodeled on such a regular basis. You can buy the multi day rail pass to move up and down the strip at will for one very low price.

    In Vegas you can spend as much as you want or do it for practically nothing.
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  21. FramerInTraining

    FramerInTraining MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    What's Roma's and TruVue's events? What's hole in the wall event? I don't think I have heard of these.
    Also, buffet gatherings breakfast or dinner? I can use some of that. :)
  22. Mike Labbe

    Mike Labbe Member, Former moderator team volunteer

    I'm not sure if TV or Roma are having events this year Roma usually has a large party in one of the nearby luxury hotels, by invitation only. (reps are probably the ones to hand out the invites for their event) They rent out an entire night club, and its a fun time.

    Every year a group of us go to the hole in the wall Italian restaurant, which is right next to the host hotel. It's an all you can eat (including wine) place, and a fun time. It's often combined with a ride on the big wheel just before - for those interested. (Monday night) I believe this one is mentioned on facebook and the ppfa foum. Of course, Rob's Chinese dinner is also a great event this night too.

    We also have a very informal breakfast gathering in the food court on Sunday morning, at 7am. (an hour before the PPFA Chapter Leaders Conference starts) People drop in and eat 7am - 9am, as their schedule permits. There are a couple self service restaurants next to it, and you buy your own and sit in the public area. Here are the details for that.

    Everyone is welcome to the breakfast gathering! You order what you want, pay at the window, and can meet and greet in the open seating area. There is no admission fee/purchase requirement.

    Here is a link to the venue, and to the menu. http://www.parislasvegas.com/restaurants/la-creperie.html#.VKrF5skhOzl


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