It's not a "game." The new "rules" allow for a framer that has been in business a long time, but for what ever reason hasn't taken the CPF, to take the CPF and the MCPF without a "long wait" in between.The lack of a hands-on component to the CPF exam is part of what led to the development of the MCPF. Now that is so hands-on it actually scares me.
By the way, somebody noted that it might be possible to "game" the system by taking a re-certification course right after passing the CPF, then jumping right into the MCPF exam. Maybe. Good luck with that.
I don't think there are many out there that could have both the knowledge for the CPF and the acquired skills from experience to pass the MCPF exam after a year. I think that 4-5 year mark is about right.
A few customers ask about the framed certificates on the gallery wall, but I doubt any of them know about the credentials before they get here, and I'm not sure any customers consider them a deciding factor in choosing a framer.I have never once...... EVER in 14 years framing .... have a customer ask me if I'm a CPF...
Both of the exams include information useful for all levels of framing, and improve a framer's body of knowledge. For example, knowing the differences between "Conservation" mats and "white core" mats - which look identical to most framers - is essential to properly deciding which type to use for decorative framing, as well as for preservation framing.... I'm still stuck on the fact that its NOT EVEN everyday framing thats being tested! I mean..... how many people are using cardboard backing still........ papermats....... reg glass and STILL THINKING its good for the life of the picture??
I think you have a lot of framing experience. So do I, but I continue to learn more about the methods and materials with which I earn my living.I guess my thing is....... what are the benifets?? ...... what do you get out of it that I already dont know..... assuming that you think I have no idea what I'm doing.
The cost certainly is not astronomical. I'm pretty sure most framers could recoup the total investment in a year or less, depending on how they use the new information they stuff into their heads.Besides paying an astronomical fee...
An awesome framer? Maybe not. A better framer? Absolutely. Ask anyone who has studied and passed the exams, and they will tell you they learned enough new information to make the investment of time and money worthwhile....and getting letters behind my name? Does that make me an awesome framer now that I can write CPF???
A candidate has to have at least at least five years of hands-on framing experience to be eligible for the MCPF exam. He or she must also be a CPF in good standing and have done at least one recertification class.Wow, Cliff that is good news for some of those folks who have that level of experience. I know of at least one framer who will be delighted.
That news had not found its way to me.
However, it would take somebody pretty special to manage to do it without the years of experience.
Yes you can!Can I suggest that it might be best if the books were studied really well, rather than just reading them? Maybe you guys absorb stuff better than I do and reading might be enough for you?
So the bar should be pretty #### high, imo. Especially if the trade organization is going to list these people before the other members.The CPF and MCPF programs represent the most comprehensive, professionally developed, peer-reviewed, up-to date, self-directed educational opportunities in the framing industry. For framers who want to learn more about framing and establish a pattern of continuing education, there is no better course of study in the world.
If anyone is interested, HERE is a list of all current Certified Picture Framers. I haven't counted to see how many there are. By the way, this was added at the request of PPFA members, and non-members too, who wanted to be able to verify CPF status of a potential employee.Actually, it's quite a bit more than that. Many shops have multiple CPFs, but only get listed once.
Some non-member shops have CPFs, but don't get listed in the list you have.
I don't have the exact number, but I'd guess that isn't even half.
If you ask me, a master picture framer should be able to make a frame if you give him blocks of wood. Show him a work of art, let him go select the wood and get crackin. The proper style for the time period and work of art and why. The whole 9 yards.Perhaps, being the newbie on the Certification Board I shouldn't say anything (not that such things have ever stopped me before...) , I have been mulling over in my mind a sort of auxiliary designation to the MCPF showing specialized knowledge just like this. I know GCF has this, because one of my colleagues has an advanced certification in needlework. So you may be onto something there.
But I haven't gone through the experience.
If my opinion changes I'll post asap.I will guarantee you will KNOW you have earned your MCPF when you pass... When I was an examiner, I was on teams that failed 2 of the first 3 candidates I examined. The work just wasn't up to the written standard. The candidate gets score sheets which plainly delineate expectations, and yet there were failures. It ain't a walk in the park.
And the radio commercial I told you about earlier in the thread garners comment wherever I go. (OK, it's a small town, but still...) Two people mentioned my MCPF status at Quilt Guild last night, and someone else wanted to know when I was going to be in the shop because she has some stuff to bring in...
I actually agree with you. I have a problem to solve though. These guys keep saying that if you have criticisms or things you want to change then you have to do it from the inside so ok I'll try. Maybe I'll feel differently about things during the process. You don't have the same problems though and truth be told if the PPFA would just be interested in upholding their own Code of Ethics and certifications I'd happily continue not being involved. But since Dave posted that list I see that two of the 3 people aren't even listed there as CPFs so who knows what's going on in my neck of the woods. I guess that's not a definitive list though.Sorry Johnny... your on your own babe... good luck.
I apologize... I happen to be pretty vocal at just about everything. I know there are MANY FRAMERS that are NOT CPF's...... which they have their reasons too. It seriously seems like some kind of Frat to join.... and I cant help but rebel against rules and a test that tells me I'm a framer.
Thanks everyone for all your explinations..... but this is just not for me!
If that paints me in a BAD LIGHT than so be it.... EVIL is more my speed anyway!
Which three people are you talking about? Are you saying that someone is falsely claiming to be a CPF? Or they are and they just aren't listed?...But since Dave posted that list I see that two of the 3 people aren't even listed there as CPFs so who knows what's going on in my neck of the woods. I guess that's not a definitive list though.
I'm saying that of the people that I'm having an issue with three of them say they are CPFs but only one of their names appears on your list. So your list isn't complete, they have different names that they took the test under, or they are fibbing.Which three people are you talking about? Are you saying that someone is falsely claiming to be a CPF? Or they are and they just aren't listed?
"You don't need to study" might mean "I studied and passed, but I'm sure you know more than I do and will be able to pass the exam easily." Or perhaps, "I want you to think I know everything about framing and didn't have to study, so I can feel superior when you fail."I've heard the entire spectrum from people who have taken the test, ranging from "You don't need to study" privately all the way to "It was the hardest test I've ever taken."
You recently described your unfortunate, decades-old memory of how others embarrassed you at a PPFA meeting. Knowing how it feels, are you saying you want to do the same to others? Whether they deserve it or not, is it wise to set them up to receive the same sort of sympathy you did?If my membership gets approved I'll ask em at the Ohio meeting!
No, I wasn't saying I would do what was done to me. I'd ask them privately. The meeting would provide a great opportunity for it. I can see how my comment could be taken your way though.You recently described your unfortunate, decades-old memory of how others embarrassed you at a PPFA meeting. Knowing how it feels, are you saying you want to do the same to others? Whether they deserve it or not, is it wise to set them up to receive the same sort of sympathy you did?
If you really want to get the matters resolved, please ask PPFA to investigate the framers in question and take whatever action is necessary to fix the discrepancies. If the framers are legitimate CPFs, their names would be rightfully added to the roster. Or, if they are 'fibbing' (good word for it) or if their designations have expired, PPFA could take action to stop them from claiming the credentials falsely.
The person who will be my study-buddy and will take the exam when I do has actually passed the bar so it'll be interesting to ask her opinion too. There is probably a better chance than not that I fail. But with both of us taking it there is an excellent chance that we'll have a CPF on staff by the time they are graded.Johnny, I really can't wait to see your take on the exams. I know you will be honest about your experiences. I haven't tried the MCPF yet, but I really was floored by the level of difficulty of that "multiple choice" CPF test.
I studied for it. I really did. For the better part of a year. If I was going to do it, I was really going to understand it. I did about a book a month. I expected the test to just be a formality. I was really surprised. It took a lot of thought to answer those questions. And I wasn't sure I had answered enough of them correctly when I left the room.
I went home and looked up as many things as I could remember that I had questions about.
With a 60% pass rate, that should give anyone pause. I know in some ways there is no comparison because of the level of education, but people pass the bar exam at a higher rate.
I know some really good framers with many years of experience that did not pass it the first time.
Thanks G. I'll talk to you about it on Oct 24th. There will be 2 of us coming. I'll behave! I think maybe I can use some help because my PPFA membership was approved today. I went through a bunch of stuff to create an Omega account and order those books. And I'm ordering the PPFA books. And then he tells me that the online test is not currently being offered. Ha, jokes on teh Johnny! This being the 4th quarter and all I don't know how I'd have time to study anyway. The online test would probably be working again by the time I'm ready.Could also mean they have low comprehension skills as in they did not full understand the questions or miss read the question.
Not that they did not actually know the answer.
Johnny Maybe It would be a good idea to have an oHIo meeting that we can schedule a CPF test. I will bring this up to the rest of the oHIo board members.
Three of the books on the list were either written or published by Vivian Kistler, and I imagine that's why they're not currently available. I know Omega recently purchased the rights to them, but I'd imagine it will take some time before they can get new copies published and out in the marketplace.I don't know, but some of the books were probably published by Columba (Vivian K's defunct company), and may be out of print. If that is an issue, then it may be some time before the Certification Board and the Education Committee can qualify new texts that are available. In the meantime, I guess most chapters would have books available fromthe established Study Guide list.
The PPFA online store allowed me to order the Caring for Your Art book yesterday. They had the 4 books I described above marked out of stock but they allowed Caring for your Art to go through and my credit card has already been charged for it so I would expect that it's now in stock.I am missing CCI Notes and Caring for Your Art. I borrowed the latter, but want to get it for my library.
If any one has a either they want to sell (or you find it in stock), please let me know!
Finished reading Preserving Textiles this morning. Think I'm down to 5 books left to read!