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CMC: Flat or Tilted?

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by shayla, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Does your shop's computerized mat cutter sit flat, or at an angle?
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  2. simplymatted

    simplymatted SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    At an angle. Tried all three, but this worked best.
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  4. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    My Valiani's standard set of legs angles it about 30 degrees.

    Dave Wetterstroem made a very sturdy wooden support table for his CMC, which enables it to be easily tilted from horizontal to vertical. I think he wanted to be able to get it out of the way in that crowded area of his shop. Maybe he'd be willing to share the plans - I'm sure Dirk could build it.
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  5. Cliff Wilson

    Cliff Wilson SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Angled at the minimum angle spec'd by Wizard. (I think it's about 15 degrees) Some of the machines can be perfectly flat, but the Wizard 8000 (what I have) has to be at an slight angle to enable the air hoses to move freely.
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  6. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I have my Valiani at an angle. I got use to it with my Eclipse so decided to keep approximately the same when I got my Valiani, I really don't know which one works better.
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  7. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    Wizard 8000. Angled, but that's the only way it would fit in the designated spot. I have it as close to vertical as recommended by Wizard (using their wall mount bracket). Only problem is when I do a multi-opening mat and the fallouts leave home before the cutting is complete. It's a bit of a pain to have to babysit the machine, but I will if needed. A small tab of a low tack masking tape to hold the fallouts in place works well. Another solution is to cut from the front, but you still need to be there to catch the fallouts so they don't interfere with the movement of the gantry.
    If I had the space it would be lower like Cliff's.
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  8. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Ours is at an angle. Like Wally's, it was the only way it would fit, and has been this way since 2000. Also, like Wally's, we have to watch fall-outs. The first one I worked with, from about '97-99, was flat.
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  9. artfolio

    artfolio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I agree with Wally and Shayla. My Wizard was angled too and gravity was a problem with multiple fallouts. Overall, this was a minor niggle and worth putting up with for the saving in space. I definitely would not like to operate it vertically.
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  10. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Same as Wally's here. I use little tabs of 811 tape to keep the multi fallouts in place.
    :cool: Rick
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  11. bobtnailer

    bobtnailer CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    When we first bought our old Wizard 8000 a few years ago, we tried everything we could to run it flat. I think we could have made it work, but it would have taken up too much real estate.

    We tried a couple of other mounting methods, but we ended up buying the one that Wizard offers. They just GIVE those things away!! You know...in exchange for $700. It was far from cheap, but it works really well.

    I attached a pic of our setup. Please ignore the mess. If you can't ignore it, just don't judge me because of it. If you can't NOT judge me, at least don't do it publicly. If you can't .... you get the picture.

    I also find it mildly irritating to have to babysit the machine to keep drop-outs from ... well, dropping out. Since it cuts from bottom to top, then cuts the whole thing out at the very end, the only time the scraps cause an issue is on the bottom (horizontal) cut. If a cutout falls behind the mat before it makes that final horizontal cut, it just doesn't cut it right. It's not the end of the world, but it adds a little manual work at the end. It's still worthwhile to do it this way.

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  12. Mike Labbe

    Mike Labbe Member, Former moderator team volunteer

    We built a simple storage box, made from 3/4" particle board (painted, and it has stick on floor tiles on top). Base has 2 halves that are screwed together (in case we have to take it apart to move through doorway to a new location, etc). We have a Wizard 8000 and a new Valiani Ultra BC. BOTH of them have lived on the same base cabinet, so i'm showing pics of both setups.
    For the Wizard 8000 (since moved to another room, a couple weeks ago), we buit an easel for it to sit on - from the same 3/4" material. It just sits on top of the base cabinets.
    For the Valiani Matpro Ultra BC, we ordered it with a steel tabletop stand, which we lag bolted down to our existing base cabinets. Because we're so short of space, we wanted a lot of mat storage space underneath. We also eliminated the computer stand that came with it. The controller and PC are on top of the base cabinet, to the left. The monitor is on a swingaway mount from the wall, and the keyboard and mouse fold up when not in use, on a wall mount. The Valiani heads live on a small shelf that we built over the keyboard assembly.
    cmc-wiz.PNG cmc-valiani-kb.png
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  13. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    bobtnailer's setup is the same as mine, only a lot less cluttered.

    What's that below your 8000? A floor? I had one once, now it's just stacks of fallouts gathering for their annual migration to the dumpster.
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  14. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Mike, It looks like a nice set-up on the Valiani. How do you get to the back of the table to maintain the back track? Does it roll out?
  15. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    I think of mine at tribbles.
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  16. Mike Labbe

    Mike Labbe Member, Former moderator team volunteer

    I don't think anything back there requires maintenance, but we could stand on top of the table, to the left, if needed. The Valiani controller is to the left, and we can reach back and open her up easily, for monthly air filter cleaning.

    The extra sample wall on the right also unscrews, if we need access behind the CMC. The Wizard just sat there and was fine, but the Valiani is lag bolted down because it moves a lot faster. We had concern about movement damaging the mat clamp pressure gauge assembly, which hangs down a bit. For this reason, we didn't want it to move.
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