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CMC Flaw Board

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I guess I think of flaw board as there are dings... its disc. or something is wrong with it. :shrug:
You know.........it has FLAWS.........
 

Rick Granick

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Right, similar to scratch 'n' dent appliances. Often they are cut off-square, the facing paper has creases or is too short, etc. But they are otherwise useful. Conservation core ones could be used for mounting/backing. They used to put paint stripes on the surfaces so they couldn't be cut down and used for actual mats, but don't know if they still do that or not since I'm getting whitecore x-board when I order "flaw".
:cool: Rick
 

John Ranes II CPF GCF

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Flawboard is still flawed board and marked

EllenAtHowards said:
Well, it USED to be that flaw board had pink (if I remember) stripes on the face of it, and could only be used for slip sheets. I assume it is easier just to take damaged board and put it in a stack to be sold cheaply, because it can't be sold full price, so get rid of it.
Indeed it still is sold like that, Ellen. Back in the late 1970's-90's, we would put an order of matboard directly into Crescent ordering 5 sheets minimum per color stocked, and we would always through on a full 100 sheet box of Flawboard.

We would use it as a stack of board for trimming tissue, prints, etc. The stack was also a great weight for items coming out of the Seal dry mount press. This was all pre-CMC days.

blackiris said:
I guess I think of flaw board as there are dings... its disc. or something is wrong with it. :shrug: You know.........it has FLAWS.........
Indeed Nicole, It might be a color variation, dented, I've seen some that was partially delaminating.

John
 

John Ranes II CPF GCF

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Food for thought....

Does this thread stimulate the discussion for those wanting to see more non-public sections of this forum? I've always liked the idea, but perhaps Mike could make a poll out of that to see how participants feel?

John
 

Rick Granick

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Yes, I'm thinking it might be useful for the Business forum to be non-public, to facilitate these sorts of discussions.
:cool: Rick
 

Artrageous

PFG, Picture Framing God
I'd vote for even less private areas. Having the ability to keep prying eyes away only serves those with something to conceal. Transparency works. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it stops the search engines from finding what we're saying. Thankfully there is that oft used report post button that helps those [strike]tattle[/strike] alert the [strike]teachers[/strike] moderators when an issue arises. I'd even vote to have the report post buttons removed in Warped or allow those being reported to see who is reporting them. If I was so inclined to report a post, I'd have no problem with that person knowing it was from me.

The Warped area works because some posts are irreverent, while others just meander around with no real sense of purpose.

I'd say throw the doors wide open and let the chips fall where they may.

My philosophy is, be careful what you say and if you don't like what's written, read something else.

I'm all for less oversight, not more.
 

Rick Granick

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
That's not the point. It's about being able to have confidential, professional business discussions- not about "tattling".
:icon9: Rick
 

Jeff Rodier

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Wally has started a thread about a private business area. There are items that should be discussed out of the public eye and those participating should go through a little vetting process. Even in a private area there are limits as to what we should/could discuss but it would give a chance for more open conversations. I would like to know that those involved in the discussions are bona fide businesses and not just folks learning trade secrets so they can buy wholesale for no legitimate purpose.
 

stcstc

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I would like to know that those involved in the discussions are bona fide businesses and not just folks learning trade secrets so they can buy wholesale for no legitimate purpose.
what makes someone bona fide

and is there a no legitimate purpose to buying wholsale from a picture frame wholesaler?

the above sounds like you want the old boys club to be able to get together, and not let anyone else join.

the industry needs to grow and that can only be done by nurturing up and coming businesses and opening up the old boys club to everyone
 

Jeff Rodier

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Should the public really know the actual cost per square foot of photo printing. Should they also know the ease of entry into that field. Sure there is a learning curve but it is much lower in printing than it is in framing. I have a lot of customers who have entered the printing business as a result of me offering it. They start small with a cheap throw away but higher end unit and then move into smaller professional printers. Once they understand the cost of supplies and general ownership they now offer printing to large groups of my former printing customers to keep some cash flow going to feed their printers.
 

pwalters

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I'd vote for even less private areas. Having the ability to keep prying eyes away only serves those with something to conceal. Transparency works. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it stops the search engines from finding what we're saying. Thankfully there is that oft used report post button that helps those [strike]tattle[/strike] alert the [strike]teachers[/strike] moderators when an issue arises. I'd even vote to have the report post buttons removed in Warped or allow those being reported to see who is reporting them. If I was so inclined to report a post, I'd have no problem with that person knowing it was from me.
I agree. For the record, I tattled...ummm...alerted the teachers...ummm...moderators on this thread. I did it and have no problem letting anyone know that I mashed the mommy button because I think those that don't see this as an issue are really missing the mark.
 

Jim Miller

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
All parts of The Grumble are available to anyone who cares to register, including consumers, right? Easy access probably is one of The Grumble's most popular attributes - everyone is welcome.

Are you suggesting that one or more Grumble forums should be restricted to members who are reviewed and approved? As far as I know, there is no way to filter out those who are not actively participating in the industry, without a considerable commitment from one or more reviewers who probably would need to have absolute authority.

Framers who want to have truly private conversations about prices, costs, customers, or other sensitive topics could join the trade association, which is as bona fide as it gets. Most forums on the PPFA Framers' Corner are available only to members, and there is no need for restraint in the conversations.
 

Artrageous

PFG, Picture Framing God
Paul, I think it's exactly hit the mark.

The discussion has turned to people wondering if a less public forum area would be better. One of the reasons is so people can then post prices, which is something that bothers you. I completely understand your reasoning.

In that more private setting, you would not feel inclined to report someone for posting their wholesale prices. I think such a sub forum would languish. I wouldn't participate in it.

There are plenty of sub forums already on this site, called Groups. I join the Groups that interest me. I think having the Picture Framing Business Issue section made private or worse, subject to background checks for Picture Framing worthiness is a step in the wrong direction.
 
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