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Crescent versus Bainbridge

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by Framar, Apr 15, 2018.

  1. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Now that LJ is again selling Crescent I am overjoyed - I have always adored Crescent - the colors, the way they cut - everything!

    But Bainbridge is also wonderful with their marvelous zeolites, so I love them too.

    But what amazes me is that Crescent offers not only corner samples, but swatches and chipped specifiers.

    Bainbridge, OTOH, offers corner samples and printed specifiers which are USELESS and also apparently as rare as hen's teeth.

    My local supplier can't even get Bainbridge specifiers for themselves, let alone their customers. They have one from 2013 chained to their front desk. (A specifier, not a customer!)

    In case anyone has seen the printed sheet of the new colors of Nielsen 21 profile and how radically different these colors are from the real metal samples, you know how BAD printed colors can be.

    I do not understand this. Granted, it takes a lot of labor to cut up little pieces of matboard and glue them into these specifiers, but for products that cost $10-$50 per sheet (more or less) and which are bought in great quantities by even the smallest frame shops - one would think it would be worth the time and money.

    The last chipped specifier I have from Bainbridge is from 2006/2007 and it is in tatters and badly outdated and yet I cling to it like some flimsy life raft.

    Bainbridge - you have to wake up and participate now that Crescent is back strong in the game.

    Thank you.

    (steps down from soap box)
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  2. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Life's too short to worry about either. Peterboro is the answer. Just cut another 140 PB Onyx mats yesterday. Every one was perfect.
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  3. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Too late for me to switch to Peterboro.

    1. I have no supplier that delivers who stocks Peterboro.
    2. I have too much stock of Bainbridge and Crescent to start afresh with a new company.

  4. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Hi, Mar: I’m sort of in the same position as you. Peterboro mats are a way better value, but I too have a huge number of the other two in stock. I use them for gallery jobs and as subs if the colour is close. A PB is 2/3 the cost of a BB btw. And Canadian-made. I had a plant tour a while ago; just amazing the scope.
  5. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Yeah. I have been buying LJ's Artiques because they are also cheaper yet great quality. And now I can buy Crescent Selects again. So in essence, that's four kinds of matboard I already offer.

    But sometimes I cannot find the right shade of white, yaknowwhatImean?
  6. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    The new Bainbridge Basics are nice, and very well priced. Almost all the colors match CrescentSelect colors, so you could use the BB samples and write the Crescent numbers on the back too, in case you need to get that one or to match something previously framed. They also include a new selection of double thick references, including a nice red and a nice blue.
    :cool: Rick

    Oddly, the new BB samples have square notches in their edges. Some kind of code.
  7. Circle7Paul

    Circle7Paul Grumbler in Training

    Even more oddly, several of the new BB matboards are not available from my two main suppliers. Some are just out of stock, but some are not even in their catalogs. I find that odd that BB would send out a brand new set of 'new' samples, and then not make the actual boards available. Some are not recognized by my POS, which is a head-scratcher but at least prevents me from writing up the order with that matboard. Others go through my POS, but then are out of stock. I have been switching more to Crescent and away from Bainbridge, and this has furthered that move.
  8. Ylva

    Ylva SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I guess I’m a mat junkie. I have them all. Since I make sure I make at least the cost of a matboard back on every order, I have no problem selling different brands. I store my matboards by color so easy substitute when needed.
    Artique is the lowest priced for me and I like the quality and color range. Peterboro has some colors no one else has and also great quality. I love their new fabrics!
    I sell Bainbridge and Crescent often.
    Having the variety makes sure I can always find that one perfect shade and dazzle m6 customers. Take that online and big box framers
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  9. Grey Owl

    Grey Owl SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Framar, personally I think all of the primary matboard manufacturers have great products. Probably 99% of the mats I use are 100% solid cotton rag, so that is what I concentrate on.

    I have used Crescent, Bainbridge, Peterboro, and Rising Museum Rag mats. I use more Crescent because they have approximately 37 colors of Museum Rag. Peterboro has great museum rag mats, and use a slightly different and more expensive adhesive - EVA, instead of a PVA formula, but there is no local distributor. Rising is locally available, but a more limited color range. Bainbridge has 24 colors and as you mentioned, Zeolites. Apparently, Bainbridge has changed their manufacturing concerning the Zeolites, and they are no longer in the core, but are either in the adhesive between the layers, the adhesive on the top layer, or both. At the WCAF I tried to get clarification, but I got both answers, from different people, and no one could clarify; they could only clarify they have changed the process.

    There are also some other manufacturers, but they do not specify if they meet either the FATG or the PPFA matboard standards, and if they are not willing to state they meet these standards, I question their quality.

    And yes, I love the Crescent Swatch books!
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  10. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Personally, I like all brands and I dislike all brands of mat boards. There is some from each company that I will not use because of the way they cut or the look. In my opinion the best color selection is Crescent. For fabrics and metal look mats you can't beat Bainbridge. The best value and cutting mat is Peterboro, I really like the new mats from Peterboro. Artique is also an excellent mat and a good value but they have somewhat a problem getting the colors right from 1 series to the next - the red you buy 1 day will be a different red that you will buy next day. There are good and bad with all the companies, you just have to figure out what is best for your shop. again this is just my $0.02 Joe
  11. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I had not heard about this, and wonder if testing has been done to compare the absorptive efficacy of this version vs. the previous one.
    :cool: Rick

    Most of the time, if I choose a Bainbridge board it is because of the color and/or texture, considering the zeolites a "bonus", although with certain art or objects I might choose it because of the zeolites.
  12. Grey Owl

    Grey Owl SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I asked about this at the show and I didn't get an answer. The consistent answer I received is that it had changed. But there was no consistency in how it had changed. And the great contact person / more senior manager / I used to get the correct answers from is no longer there. If anyone has a good contact with a manager / senior manager / I would be glad to email them and try to get more information.

    It could be that with the changes in ownership, some of the roles are changing, and once it shakes out, we will be able to get some good information again.
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