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deckel question

Discussion in 'Grumble Archive pre 2004 Topics' started by joe, Dec 16, 2003.

  1. joe

    joe CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I tried using search for this but didn't find exactly what I need. If I lightly mist the back of a deckel paper print and apply low heat to flatten the print will this be a permanent solution of will the memory in the fibers just "re-wave" after the print cools? I think I may have to hinge this thing on the bottom as well as top even thought that's not suppposed to be done.

    I need to get this out this week and my supply of solutions is limited.
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  2. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    This is what I have done in the past to flatten certain pieces of paper. I have placed them into my mounting press when it is set at about 150-160 degrees, using release paper on top and four ply ragboard underneath. Close and lock the press, TURN OFF, make SURE it is OFF, GO HOME, paper should be flat in the morning.

    I would not recommend misting, the press should be holding enough Relative Humidity in its foam cushion to do the trick.

    Works for me, and there is little chance of causing harm, from my experience.

    Good luck!
  3. joe

    joe CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Thanks Framar I'll give it a try!
  4. framah

    framah PFG, Picture Framing God

    Actually, a water color artist showed me how to flatten it. Do not mist it. You could get way more moisture on it than you want. Wipe the back with a DAMP sponge. Just enough to moisten the paper. Then flatten it between weights and blotter paper and leave it for a day. The purpose of the moisture is to relax the fibers and lose the wavy memory . I find that without moistening it first, no amount of pressure in the press will allow it to stay flat after it is out and reacting with the environment. It may stay flat long enough for you to reframe it, but it will eventually ripple, tho you may never know because the customer will go somewhere else to have it fixed.
    So, you are actually on the right track, just too much moisture. ;) [​IMG] ;) [​IMG]
  5. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Moisture and heat have both been mentioned here.

    One or the other is OK in moderation, but don't get confused and apply BOTH heat and moisture. If you do, the paper would disintegrate. Maybe just a little, maybe a lot -- in any case, it's destructive & the damage of it is irreversible.

    Paul MacFarland said in Atlanta that he is working on a new, mechanical device to flatten rolled papers. He's keeping it a secret until it's ready, but I guess is it some series of rollers that back-rolls the paper in a predictable and controlled way.
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