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Depth control stapler

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by Dirk, Jan 26, 2019.

  1. Dirk

    Dirk CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Yes, I know I should be winging my way to the land of Elvis, the Mafia, and Wayne Newton. Perhaps, next year. Anyway ... it'd be nice to find a pneumatic stapler that leaves staples just slightly above the canvas surface when stretching. Any recommendations? When staples go too deep, they cut the canvas, and in the rare circumstance when staples need to be removed, my vocabulary begins to reflect forty year's experience in North American sawmills, and our shop's proprietress (whose diction is somewhat more refined), grows displeased with such lexicon. Anyone have experience with staplers offering adjustable fastener depth? Brand and model? Do they function as advertised?
     
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  2. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    My boss just left for Las Vegas to help judge the framing competition.
    He offers to pay for me to go every year, but I've been framing for 50 years now and I just don't need to travel to see more frames...:eek:
    Just worked until 7:00 tonite to bust out another rush 20 piece commercial job that's getting picked up on the weekend to be installed at 8:00 AM on Monday.

    We stretch about 50 canvases a month with pneumatic staplers.
    When we stretch canvases, we use the short 1/4" staples in case any of them have to be removed. It makes it much easier and the 1/4" staples work just fine even on the giant 6' x 9' canvases we might have to stretch whether it's a gallery wrap or regular stretch.
    I often try to staple on the back of the bars if there is enough canvas even if it's not a gallery wrap.

    If you are using a pneumatic stapler, just turn down the air pressure at the compressor or I also sometimes use a small pressure regulator right at the stapler or in the line going to the stapler.
    You can get a small regulator like that at Home Depot or many other places, very inexpensive, and just turn it down until you get the depth that you want.
    Just put quick connect fittings on the regulator and you can just pop it into the line or at the stapler when you need it or just pop it off to remove.

    Something like this.. Screen Shot 2019-01-25 at 8.42.42 PM.png
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2019
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  3. Dirk

    Dirk CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Thanks Neil. I've tried reducing the air pressure, but I soon reach the point where the stapler no longer functions reliably. I'm not at the shop, so I can't relay the model number, but our current stapler is a Fasco. Perhaps it's just worn out. I try holding a finger next to the nose of the stapler to keep it a sixteenth or so off the canvas when I pull the trigger, but when I misjudge and leave the staples too high, they don't respond well to taps from the ball-peen (tend to bend over rather than go deeper.) I was hoping to shortcut the need for experience!
     
  4. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    It's a Fasco F1B 80-16 LN 50.

    fasco-pneumatic-staplers-11084f-64_1000.jpg
     
  5. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    Well, I'm a Senco Guy. I haven't used a Fasco although I know the name.

    I have 3 Senco staplers, one is a fitting tool only, one is a stapling tool only and one has a bracket on the nose that you can shift for stapling or for fitting.
    I also have 2 Senco pin nailers.
    The shop has an old Senco fitting gun as well made back in the 60's that I rebuilt.
    These are old Senco tools and they were made in Cincinnati probably in the 60's.
    I have rebuilt most of them with parts from a company in Oregon that still has some stock of the discontinued parts.
    We use them every day along with a newer Senco stapler.

    I could say that "they don't make them like they used to" but then I sound like an old man...:cool:
    Screen Shot 2019-01-25 at 9.06.06 PM.png
     
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  6. Dirk

    Dirk CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Geriatric attitude or not, they DON'T make 'em like they used to.
     
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  7. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    Well, some things get better and more valuable as they get older.
    Kind of like Fine Wine...:cool:
    That's my take on it.;)
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2019
  8. MATTHEW HALE

    MATTHEW HALE CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    When i still relied on pneumatic apparatus I used a Senco for years. I eventually switched to an Arrow T50:
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    I found that the wider flatter T50 staples were less prone to cutting through the canvas compared to the skinny 22g Senco staples. It has a safety feature which prevents firing unless the nose is in contact with the target, but the staples pull right out with this handy little gadget:
    upload_2019-1-26_9-50-1.png
    I eventually got really sick of dragging the air hose around and tripping myself (and my coworkers) so when Milwaukee Tools finally released this little gem:
    upload_2019-1-26_9-47-57.png

    we bought 2 and never looked back.
     
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  9. Pat Murphey

    Pat Murphey SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I use one of these because its ergonomics make it so easy to use that power isn't needed:

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  10. JFeig

    JFeig SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I had one of those Senco model J staplers for 30 years and it always worked. I did have to replace O-rings once.

    I modified the length hammer a long time ago with a bench grinder. I took off about 1/16" so that the staples would not be pressed into the wood bars. If you do this, make sure that you strop the edges so that there are no sharp corners or burrs.
     
  11. cjmst3k

    cjmst3k SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I'm having the same issue. Not sure if I'm good enough to figure out grinding unless that's something I can do with a dremel.

    I recall working with one a long time ago which had some sort of distance bumper to keep the stapler barely recessed off the surface but I can't find one of those bumpers. I tried to make one with a credit card and attach it but it was less than helpful.
     
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  12. alacrity8

    alacrity8 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I might have to look into this.
    I'm not a fan of pneumatic tools at the fitting table.
    I've worked jobs where they were the norm, and jobs where we didn't have any.

    I'm currently using Arrow T-30 staplers for fitting.
    I like the smaller size, and easier trigger pull than the T-50.
    Perhaps the battery powered T-50 would be useful.
     
  13. IFGL

    IFGL SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Look into staplers that use the wider staples and have your regulator set with the minimum amount of pressure for your tool to work, I think ours is set at 4 bar, I will look on Monday, but that combination of wide staple and minimum pressure should fix your troubles, if not you might want to invest in a cat to get those workshop Gremlins.
     
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  14. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I use a Bostitch pneumatic stapler, 1/4 ss staples, & like with Neil the air pressure turned down. I do use the compressor for my cmc which is running the lower pressure anyway so I don't have to make any air adjustments. What Neil suggested with the inline regulator is an excellent idea which I may try so that I can start using my other compressor so I can get more pressure at the stapler when I do need it w/o changing the pressure on my cmc.
     
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  15. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I use a Bostitch as Joe described, with 1/4" staples. I got it from Sales Associates. They are quite knowledgeable about pneumatic tools, so you might talk to someone there about the depth-control issue.
    Before I got this tool, I used an Arrow T-30 manual staple gun, which is a heavy duty gun for light staples (not as thick at T-50s). I was concerned about the depth issue with the new tool, but it has not been a problem.
    :cool: Rick
     
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