Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by Pat Kotnour, Sep 4, 2014.
Agreed, Mike. Nicely handled. Thanks.
This is a e-mail that I received this am. There is more info each week about this show. http://decorexpoatlanta.com/
Decor is adding more to the website each week. Check it out.
Let's support this show ! I'll be there and I'am looking forward to it!
If you are planning on going be sure to tell your suppliers that you hope to see them there.
The east coast used to have a New York show, as well as an Atlanta show, so it seems reasonable that the large population east of the Mississippi, and particularly in the growing southeast region would bring adequate attendance to this show.
There was a Baltimore and a Philly show too. i went to Philly but it was so long ago that I don't remember much about it. Lost wages and Atlanta are far enough aprart that I think I can swing both. I'm look'n forward to something new. Atlanta was my favorite before so I'm hoping it will be again.
Atlanta was the perfect timed show. I was buying for 3 mall based operations and always found new exciting product for 4th quarter. My po's would total over $50,000.00 and would still have to write late November / December orders because of sell through.
I miss the old days!
As I believe Mark suggested, there were about 7 framing related vendors and a few mass-produced painted canvas companies.
I don't believe there were any framing specific classes, though there was one design related one that a framer could have benefited from.
It was a "good" show for us, in that we expected nothing and got pretty good response. In fact, we had more visitors and gave out more catalogs and sold more corner samples than in Vegas this year. No doubt part of it was due to the fact that there was no one else to look at, but I'm sure that a lot of it was due to the fact that many people in the NYC area have not been to a trade show since Decor left.
We have already signed up for next year (in NYC).
In most cases, the ability to "afford"* going to a show is a matter of perception, not reality. However, you can't argue with perception.
*accurately understanding the value.
Where were you this April when Decor was at the piers?
Granted, it wasn't at the Passenger Ship Terminal (it was one pier upriver), but you could park on the roof next door.
Following this thread I have to say, I am not seeing much if any business case for the return of the Atlanta show.
I wish I could say otherwise.
I would ask that some on this thread don't miss quote me by saying I have no desire to see the framing industry grow, far from that is my attitude, however I don't think extracting valuable funds from manufacturers and suppliers for a show that may not be necessary is the way to go.
Again I will ask what business case is there for a second major framing show in the US considering how small the market is, I quote again I have very close connections to the laboratory supply business which is much bigger than the framing industry the laboratory supply business only has one major show in the US.
Although I suppose one could argue the point either way, a show that precedes your busiest season make far more sense than one that occurs afterward. After all, it's when do business typically make their largest purchases.
David, another reason for your success at the NY show may have been that you were reaching new prospects.
Working and unable to make a trip down.:thumbsup:
Absolutely. That's part of what I was implying by mentioning that many people had not been to a show since Decor left.
Believe it or not, we talked to quite a few new framers - ones that had started their business in the last year or two, or were in the process of starting up.
Retail custom framing may not be flourishing, but it is alive and here to stay.
I am so glad to hear that you thougt this show as worth while. Last year I had to pull out because of health reasons, but if things go as planned and my back holds out, I will be there this year.
If there was a Chinese Dinner Rob, I would come!!
(or maybe a different type of meal for a different city).
I would go to all these events if I could. But as many comment here ... it is too far and too costly. As was also mentioned, it all comes down to .. what is the best for ROI - will I make money by attending a particlular event and learning a new skill, and will it keep me ahead of the game, etc?
if I remember correctly, Sept show was for buying stock for Holiday season if prices were significantly lower than normal 30 day shopping. Dating was a pretty big consideration.
The Jan show allowed for equipment purchases and training when coffers were filled. Lots of room for 'experimental' purchasing, too
For us Sept was more cautious and tactical because money wasn't quite as plentiful; Jan more strategic, long range. Had a few bucks to play with
kind of like deciding which restaurant to choose a few days before pay day or choosing one the day after pay day LOL
Truth is everybody has their own reason for attending; might be location, expense, education...
Bottom line: more choices are always a better scenario
The one thing missing is no one has examined the root causes of why one of the biggest shows declined and declined to disappearing. What set of conditions are present today to change that? I remember when ATL was the one show you wouldn't miss and Vegas was up the road a bit and was a 'what the heck show' at the Riviera
My opinion was the Jan show went out and got some Biz minded guys to start teaching like Goltz and Bluestone. Ever take one of their classes? Always Big Room stuff, 100+attendees. Panel discussions were about biz and retailing and packed
They still had Mounting 19th Century Asian Fabrics, too
One of the main reasons the show went belly up was because it was virtually given in trade for compensation owed to Kim. It became very clear early on that Kim did not have the management skills or the financial resources to keep it going. Poor management is what killed that show. Pure and simple. I know because I was there when it all came crashing down, and was also one of the people who got burned. But I don't blame the new owners for it. To keep trying to make it the problem of the Redwood group is unfair. They do have the know how and the financial backing to bring it back. I have been very impressed so far by what they have done and how they are doing it. The industry should give them a chance. They deserve it.
don't know the numbers of attendance if dwindling or not in last years; do you?
do remember floor 'shrank' considerably with fewer and fewer exhibitors
been awhile, but show lacked vibrancy from 'peak' days
I hope it comes back strong and does well. Who wouldn't?
just not sure if the train has left the station
But, I remember 6-8 shows a year and 4-5 trade mags, too
keep your fingers crossed; it's up to lots of framers showing up and spending tons o' money
like everything else in biz, the customer calls the shots
Bob, you can find much of the answer for the death of the show by looking up the financial meltdown of 2008. The show was scheduled just before we entered what is now described as events worse than the Great Depression. We are five years out of recession so some shops are thriving while others are less worried.
no doubt of contributing factors, but If memory is okay, there was a little circling the drain for a few years prior
I'm pretty sure we used to comment on how it just wasn't what it used to be.
I do remember two really big publishers we dealt with that had down sized their booths noticeably
You mentioned shops thriving; no doubt. Anyone know how many shops were around 6-7 yrs ago vs today?
Pat-have the new operators offered any projected attendance numbers? As a vendor, i'm sure you are interested
I think the Michael has just started promoting the show. I've mentioned the show to people at Framerica, Decor, Omega and Quality Saw & Knife, none of them had a clue about a new/rebirth of Decor Atlanta. Every one of them said that Decor Atlanta used to be their best show.
As soon as some of the bigger players sign up, many other will sign up too.
My shows were always good and the fact that the traffic numbers went down never seemed to affect me. It is my belief that the numbers were down because less shops were bringing thier employees and is probably the reason my numbers never went down. Those attending were the people with the purse strings. Note: Decor added me to the class schedule of their last show only 2 weeks before the show stared, and the class was the day before the show started. We had almost 60 in the class.
The last Decor show was down in numbers, true, but I still had a great show and was already signed up for the next year when it all came crashing down.
Hobby Publications was probably one of them and I'm not sure about the other one.
The answer would be a lot more. With the 2008 recession/almost depression may shops went OOB. Most of my accounts who are left standing are so busy right now that they can hardly keep uo. New shops are opening every week and people are adding to their work force because of it. There is a forward momentum in the industry right now. No doubt it will never go back to what it once was, but market IS getting better. Hopefully we will all do our part to keep the forward progress.
At this point, I really don't care what the projections are because it is an almost impossible question to answer right now. The framing industry and PPFA have to help this show get back on track. It was always my best show as well. I will be putting money down on a booth. The only reason I haven't done so yet is because I am paying for 2 shows right now, and the NY one is also in my radar before the Atlanta. I am hoping to be in NY and will absolutly be in Atlanta. Michael is working on getting the word out but we can all help by contacting the vendors to tell them you would like to see them there. The more people who are out there spreading the word the easier it will be for the Redwood Group to bring the show on line.
Hobby Publications produces Picture Framing Magazine (and WCAF). I think Bob was referring to "art" publishers that had 40 x 60 islands and spent a quarter million to do the show. I don't think HP ever had more than a single 10x10 booth at Decor.
If my memory serves me right when Vivian was alive, they had a much bigger stake in the show and booth space. I recall big posters in the entrace with Vivian's picture on them and a booth that was larger than a 10x10. I was doing so many shows back then that it may not have been Decor Atlanta's show that I am remebering. You are correct about Art Publishers though.
Sorry I don't have time to read all these posts, but would like to add a simple observation....
Having been to frame shows for over 30 years - WCAF, Frameorama, Baltimore, UK, France, Germany, Australia, Italy, Spain, Norway, & Portugal to name a few...... there is a single fact that stands out
The shows that have gone had little or no education.
The shows that have survived and got better all have education.
An educated framer is a more profitable framer. :smiley:
You are right about the education being imortant, but without the vendors there is no show. Any show will be better with both. When I taught at the Decor show there were several other educators there teaching classes as well. Jim Miller and John Raines come to mind. I spoke with Michael this morning and there will be education.....no doubt. Will it be lto the extent of the WCAF & PPFA conference......probably not, but they don't want the show to be a copy of what is already being done.
I am trying not to make this come out as an ad for DECOR – all that information is on our website. Rather, I would like to address some of the resurfacing comments about DECOR Expo Atlanta.
It took a lot of forward thinking in getting Atlanta going and I’m proud to say that it certainly paid off. Responses from framers and already signed up vendors has been nothing but positive. Atlanta will make its way back. Granted, problems dis arise from the previous owners trying to get DECOR going. I read the comments and they still seem to linger. As show director, I do apologize for the events that took place in the past. However, let’s not bury DECOR! Given the history of DECOR from the introduction of DECOR magazine back in the late 1800 (yes, 1896!), coupled with the many years of great successful events at DÉCOR trade shows throughout America, we must embrace history and let it come back to the way it was run with effective management, or at least enough to make a buzz in this industry. Forward thinking and a focus on the future in our industry will make this happen.
It takes a lot to run a show, let alone a trade magazine, just ask Bruce and Debbie over at WCAF. We are all part of a changing industry not much different to the changes that have taken place in other industries. Everyone at some time or another during the crunch had to either downsize, resize or energize to survive.
During all those realignment tactics we also had to adjust, re-focus, re-think short term plans, strategize and then move forward. Isn’t that what business is all about? Life in framing was a bit intense (to say the least) over the past several years. Has the framing Industry changed? Yes!. During all the changes, we got better with technology, products and innovation. We still educate and we still showcase. These two elements are what makes a successful trade fair.
DECOR has a lot of history. A great deal of new framers still in business today can remember going to their first framing trade fair. Was it a DECOR trade fair by chance?
If you’re reading this as a potential exhibitor at DECOR, be advised that you are in for a smooth ride with a great Atlanta Marriott Marquis hotel venue, free hotel nights for exhibitors, no drayage fees, no hidden cost, and easy set up and tear down. If you are reading this as a custom framer, then be assured that the show will take place in September of 2015 with a lot of great events, education, showcasing and exciting announcements.
Don’t wait to the last minute to book your flight! The Show Must Will Go On!
I am planning on going, and looking forward to it! I can't wait to see what type of classes that you will have . Have many exhibitors signed up yet?
We have been telling all our suppliers that we want to see them there .
This is the place to be!
Letting your suppliers know that you want a show in Atlanta will certainly, no doubt, help get the show off the ground. DECOR will prevail and it will be gradual, one year at a time build. In fact, that’s the way DECOR started many years ago when it was first held in a hotel. The secret to any successful trade show in almost any industry is the involvement of the supplier. The driving force behind a supplier’s intent to participate at a trade show results in their ability to reach out to their customers. They do this by rep contacts, telephone calls, announcements attached to invoices, Social Media and advertising in trade magazines.
Granted it is a big expense for a supplier to exhibit at a trade fair. However, it’s still the best way to interact with clients and new and or potential customers. Recognizing the fact that Social Media does do a good job of “Keeping in Touch” with clients, there’s nothing better than a confident “Great to see you handshake, or in most cases a big warm (hug) at a trade show” Entering into a company’s trade booth at a show is a great feeling for both parties and an ideal opportunity for that potential customer to see, hear, smell, and touch the product or in some cases experience the product services. You can’t do that on the net yet!
Independent sales reps in most cases appreciate trade shows. Here’s an ideal opportunity to make a lot of spread out territory calls to upwards of 50 to 75 customers in just three days. Now that’s a cost savings. Company sales reps also get a chance to have their customer meet the boss and share ideas and concerns. It also give the other reps an opportunity to network and socialize.
For nearly thirty years I have always had a passion for trade shows whether it be in Atlanta, Italy, New York, Philadelphia, Dallas, Chicago, Hong Kong, Birmingham, or Australia. And, you know?.......they all have the same thing in common; notoriety, comradery, new product launches, great people and a great place to do business. Someone said in an earlier post that a great deal of the population in both Canada and the U.S. are in the east. Coupled with the fact that many suppliers do not necessarily see much of their eastern seaboard customers let alone write orders. That’s one of the main reasons for a DECOR Shows.
If you haven’t read the news lately, the economy is starting to bounce back with a slew of new jobs being created.
At the New York DECOR Show there were less than 30 vendors there for DECOR. New York DECOR more or less piggy backs onto Art Expo which in fact is a larger venue and is comprised of three shows under one roof. However, there were a great deal of framers looking for more suppliers. The venue was small, as expected, however the traffic was good. The DECOR Atlanta show will have more than 200 booths with an excited 300 mile radius framer’s response so far.
Weather you attend a trade show to; learn, meet and greet, reconnect, poke around, wave to a stranger walking past a booth or just enjoy the atmosphere, “Then, this is the place to be!”
Season’s Greetings with warm regards, Michael Pacitti
I contacted the director of the NYC Decor Expo to see who will be showing.
I was informed that most of the vendors have jumped ship to the Atlanta show.
I am greatly disappointed. I do not have the ability to travel to Atlanta. I love going to NYC.
Looks like no show for me anytime in the near future.
Any chance he gave you a list of who will be in Atlanta?
I skipped Vegas But I will be going to the Atlanta show.
I believe the NY show is primarily an Art show (Artexpo New York 2015), and I'm sure that the art portion is large and well represented. I believe they had 3-6 framing specific vendors last year. Is it this month, or early April? (soon!)
Decor Atlanta should have a bigger (framer) vendor showing, when it re-launches with its first show this fall. I believe it is dedicated to just the framing industry, unlike the NY event. I'm not sure if they will have education.
There's also Framefest Orlando in September. (vendors and education)
The biggest framing industry trade/educational event is WCAF/PPFA, in Vegas. (which is the largest one in the world, many times larger than all of the others combined, w/vendors and education)
I'll def be at WCAF 2016 and Framefest 2015, and will probably (hope to) check out Decor Atlanta 2015 too. I'm waiting for more info, before I buy travel tickets. None of these shows have info posted yet, because its too early. They're still in the process of signing up vendors and educators. I think info will be posted fairly soon.
Wonder how The Atlanta Decor show is progressing. Any news?
Still scheduled. We have reserved a booth.
The DECOR Atlanta Show is coming along fine. Updates on on the website. Thanks for your interest.
We also have a booth reserved.
I have my made arrangements for a place to stay already...
Does anyone know what venders will be at Atlanta yet?
I wish you good luck with the Atlanta show Michael. One framing show a year is not enough. I like to see Decor Atlanta succeed.
Might I suggest you update your Signature on this forum to include a link to the Decor Atlanta Show website.
The September South East U.S. Show Schedule
9-11 September: Decor Expo Atlanta
16-18 September: Atlanta Fall Gift & Home Furnishings Market
18-20 September: PPFA FrameFest South East 2015
Should be plenty to do and pick from, especially if you live in this region.
Does anyone have a complete list of MOULDING suppliers that are going to be at Atlanta? I have tried finding the list on there website but cannot seem to find it???
I have not heard ony any of them going.
I'm hoping they don't can the show at the last second again.
Waiting until I see a confirmed list of vendors. Its kinda like hosting a music festival, but not naming any bands. If they wait too long, they risk flights becoming too expensive for attendees.
If they want to wait until 30 days before to show who's displaying, I'll happily pass this year and wish them success. Was very much looking forward to attending. I hope they announce soon.
Decor Atlanta has been canceled/postponed/moved to NY, April 2016.
Can't say that I'm surprised. Disappointed but not surprised and I don't know what to think about NY. It sure is not my choice for a show out east.
Not going to New york sorry Decor.
Just got a email that the Atlanta Show has been cancelled - hope you all didn't have money invested in the airline tickets...I won't be going to the NY Expo.
It is with great disappointment that we are writing to let you know we've decided to cancel the DECOR Expo Atlanta Show in September. With just two months left before the show, we simply haven't gotten the exhibitor support that we were hoping to receive, and therefore wouldn't have been able to produce the high-caliber show that we'd envisioned.
We are pleased to report that there was great interest on the attendee side of things. Nearly 400 retailers and industry professionals registered to attend the show—and that was before our planned attendee marketing campaign had even launched! This shows us that there is indeed demand for a show like DECOR, and it's what gives us confidence in our decision to continue to bring first-rate art and framing shows to the market.
Which brings us to the next announcement—or silver lining, one might call it. We are moving full steam ahead on DECOR Expo New York, which runs in association with Artexpo New York from April 14–17, 2016. We invite you to join us for this extraordinary event that showcases the best in framing, including the Top 100 Art & Framing Retail Awards that was originally slated for DECOR Expo Atlanta. We expect to have 40–50 exhibitors, as well as free educational events and seminars, and the turnout for this annual show is phenomenal. Artexpo New York was attended by nearly 28,000 people last year, and within that figure were 4,000 trade buyers. Please join us at Pier 94 in New York City next April to pick up with a flourish from where we've started.
Eric Smith and the DECOR Team
We will be re-booking our tickets to FrameFest 2015 or WCAF 2016...
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