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fALLING SAMPLES

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by Ray Bragg, Dec 30, 2010.

  1. Ray Bragg

    Ray Bragg CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    When your moulding samples fall off the wall what adhesive do you use to re-attach the felcro.
     
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  2. YooperFramer

    YooperFramer MGF, Master Grumble Framer

  3. rhop

    rhop SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    YEP :icon9:
     
  4. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I always staple the velcro so it won't fall.
     
  5. danny boy

    danny boy PFG, Picture Framing God


    Bingo... :p
     
  6. Mike Labbe

    Mike Labbe Member, Former moderator team volunteer

    We have stapled ours, too :)

    Our Bella samples were especially notorious for this. They would fail and take all their neighbors of the same brand for the ride. We would come in and find a few on the floor.
     
  7. framah

    framah PFG, Picture Framing God

    Forget what all those other guys say... use staples!!:icon9:
     
  8. Riverwood

    Riverwood CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    and dont lean finished frames waiting to be picked up against the wall below the corners!:icon19: learned that right after I opened years ago! geez cant believe I did that.

    Oh...and staples
     
  9. janetj1968

    janetj1968 PFG, Picture Framing God

    Staples.

    They tend to fall more when your room is extremely cold or extremely hot.
     
  10. cjmst3k

    cjmst3k SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I just say to the corner samples "I'm not mad at you for falling, I'm just disappointed". That seems to keep them up there.
     
  11. more_so

    more_so SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    You know the thin wire cables that Best Buy and Wal Mart use on their camera samples? Use those! That way nobody can steal your corners, and you can get them back in place just by kind of tossing them up in the air.
     
  12. echavez123

    echavez123 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Amen ... been there, done that!
     
  13. RoboFramer

    RoboFramer PFG, Picture Framing God

    What about metal corners?
     
  14. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    Did someone mention staples? (I kid) :icon11:
     
  15. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I was just about to ask the same thing. I'm always having problems with the velcro chevrons not sticking to the metal hardware. I have tried both silicone and hot glue, with no long term success. Anyone have any real solutions for this?
    :help: Rick

    I wonder what they use to stick logos and badges to cars? They seem to stay stuck for decades, even when exposed to all extremes of weather.
     
  16. W.C.Framer

    W.C.Framer PFG, Picture Framing God

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    Picking up fallen corner samples...Every morning, right after the coffee routine :party:


    (gee, ya think "staples" was the answer?)
    And as for metal corners, I gave up on the velcro. I now use small nails to hang them up on the wood spinner they hang from. Panel nails come is fashionable colors of white and brown and are just the right size. The flat head keeps the samples hanging even as they get spun around.

    The next step is to just get rid of metal frames all together!
     
  17. couture's gallery

    couture's gallery PFG, Picture Framing God

    a drop of expoxy on metal corners works...
     
  18. Janis

    Janis CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I keep my metal frames in a drawer and just pull out when needed. Don't have to worry about them falling off the wall that way. :)
     
  19. blackiris

    blackiris SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    You mean those arent the first samples that you choose for an order?

    I just feel like if they jump off the wall....they must be the right one to use!! :D


    oh and STAPLES for crying out loud!! ;)
     
  20. FramerDave

    FramerDave PFG, Picture Framing God

    A pretty compelling reason not to use adhesives for object mounting, don't you think?
     
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  21. RParrish

    RParrish PFG, Picture Framing God

    I always thought it was their way of saying good bye!

    If a vendor can't secure the Velcro, I am certainly not going to do the extra work.
     
  22. TurnerAssociatesdy

    TurnerAssociatesdy CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I like the way you think. We staple ours!
     
  23. Pat Murphey

    Pat Murphey SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Easy! Staples. :p

    [​IMG]
     
  24. RoboFramer

    RoboFramer PFG, Picture Framing God

    Nielsen provided me with lots of these brackets and pegs FOC.

    [​IMG]
     
  25. Beveled

    Beveled SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I had an employee who used to say they were suicide samples, cuz they kept jumping off the walls.

    We use staples. Have never found a solution for metals.
     
  26. dougj

    dougj SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Ditto for the metal
     
  27. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I have several rails like that for metals but the stupid plastic gizmos keep leaping out, taking the corners with them at the slightest provocation.

    Those L-shaped velcro have a pretty capable adhesive on them, but after several years even they fail - so I apply new ones.

    Works for me.
     
  28. RParrish

    RParrish PFG, Picture Framing God

    I appreciate vendors who take the time to make sure their samples stay securely on the wall, 50% or so don't and those samples end up getting damaged and who really wants to show samples with nicks and dings or miters that have cracked open! :mad:
     
  29. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I used to have a system similar to that. It had vertical slotted strips attached to the wall, with little metal clips that were positionable on the strips. The clips would engage special hardware in the samples. The good thing about this system was it kept the samples evenly positioned. The bad thing was that the clips pop out fairly easily, especially if a customer tries to grab a sample and pull straight out or down without lifting it slightly first. Besides, Nielsen started releasing their new samples with jammed-in plastic hardware that presumably provides a better surface for velcro to stick to, but is virtually impossible to remove to replace with the special hardware for the hanging system. So I've phased out almost all of the clip system and gone to velcro.
    Maybe I'll experiment with the epoxy idea, although it would be a lot of time-consuming work to retrofit all my samples, plus it seems like you would only be epoxy gluing the sample to the adhesive on the velcro chevron, the weak link in the chain.
    :kaffeetrinker_2: Rick

    Again, why can't they supply chevrons with whatever super strong adhesives the car industry uses to affix their name badges and things to cars?
     
  30. RoboFramer

    RoboFramer PFG, Picture Framing God

    Make your own chevrons from sew-on velcro :kaffeetrinker_2:
     
  31. Tom Reigle

    Tom Reigle Guest

    Metal frame samples??? Use those "special" metal staples!!! :faintthud:

    I spent over 30 years in the auto industry as a body shop owner/instructor and we had to remove those little dealer nameplates to refinish collision damaged panels on many vehicles. I will state unequivocally that they are a real bear to remove! We had one guy who could carefully slide a single edged razor blade between the nameplate and the panel and get them loose, then we would use a very aggressive adhesive remover (similar to the old UnSeal) to get the gloop off.

    That would be the perfect solution to the ever present problem of velcro not holding on the backs of most extruded metal moulding samples (and maybe the lighter wood samples too). The technology is already here, framers just need to convince someone that it is needed in the industry.

    And somebody needs to come up with a solution for velcro on fillet samples, those piddly little triangles just don't cut the mustard! I epoxied the flat pieces of metal moulding corner angles to the backs of fillet samples and installed the velcro chevrons on those metal surfaces. But they were too wide in most cases and got in the way sometimes when you tried to show them in combination with very narrow moulding samples. But, in general, they worked for me for over 10 years after I hit upon the idea. And you didn't have to worry about your fillet joints breaking if you accidentally dropped one!

    Simply stated, a thinner, narrower, modified version of the angle plates mentioned would work fine in conjunction with narrow chevrons of velcro, in my opinion. Someone hit the drawing board and come up with a winner on this one in the coming year, eh??
     
  32. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Thanks for your implicit endorsement of my suggestion, Tom. ;)
    Anyone from Nielsen lurking and paying attention? We want these super-chevrons NOW!
    :thumbsup: Rick
     
  33. MICHELLE ANDERSON

    MICHELLE ANDERSON SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Nielsen has clips that snap into the side channels of the Metal samples. The velcro is attached to the clips and they hold really well, no more nose diving samples, just contact your rep.
     
  34. Miranda Smith

    Miranda Smith CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I think Velcro is the worst thing possible. I have a tiny (3 feet x 2 feet) board with a couple of rarely used but unique samples kept on by the velcro method and it drives me crazy. We have used a masonite pegbaord wall for over 30 years with pegboard hooks in the holes. The frame samples are balanced on the hooks. Very easy.

    I have heard that you could use a magnetic system also (depends how many clients have pacemakers!), but I like the pegboard. You can paint it and it lasts forever.
     
  35. Dave

    Dave SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I too keep my metal moulding samples in a flat file.
     
  36. HB

    HB SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Metal in flat drawrs - wood - yes staples
     
  37. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Perhaps so, but pegboard is a very dated look. It already was even 30 years ago. We are in a visual industry, and keeping up with current design and merchandising trends instills confidence in customers in the market for what we do. Go to any successful retail business nowadays and you will see not a square inch of pegboard, except maybe in the maintenance room over the tool bench.
    :kaffeetrinker_2: Rick
     
  38. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    Did anyone mention stapling the Velcro on the samples?(I still kid) :icon9:
    I've been doing it for 23 years now. They don't fall off. Don't sell much metal. I keep them in a drawer.
     
  39. alacrity8

    alacrity8 CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Searching threads on Velcro.
    I keep coming across :icon9: in this thread.
    What has disappeared?

    Brian
     
  40. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Staples - did someone already mention staples :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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  41. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Brian,when the Grumble last switched platforms a lot of the cool old icons were lost. Like my favorite, the faint:thud. I cannot recall icon 9, however.
     
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