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Fletcher-Terry Bankruptcy

Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by Paul Cascio, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. Luddite

    Luddite PFG, Picture Framing God

    Actually been to China? Ever actually dealt with manufacturers?Not all Chinese factories make cheap copies,ya know........bad C.S.?!!! Really..They`ve been nothing short of phenominally helpful to lil ol`me!!wow what a rant,on your FIRST post...Really...Go soak your head. L.(In regards to the first 2 questions...Yes I have,16 times,over 10 years:D...)
     
  2. Paul Cascio

    Paul Cascio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Fletcher can't be faulted for bad customer service, nor for copying other products. If anything, they've been a shining example of customer service, and a vicitim of product copying (See Chronomat, and Onyx). Fletcher's problems are the result of poor, old and bland management at the very top, namely Terry Fletcher. Their product development decisions have been horrible, including trying to turn a point driver into a v-nailer. They'd have been better off trying to market it as a log splitter. They've also introduced products that were nearly duplicates of their existing products and kept thier prices artificially high by limiting distribution to a small number of dealers. This helped spawn clone products.

    These problems were magnified by changes in thier two biggest markets, hardware stores and picture framing.

    As for China, it's reputation is undeserved. China now produces mostly great products at prices that would be hard to match in the U.S..
     
  3. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    The articles you linked offer presumably-accurate information, but nothing that would represent bad news about the company.

    Really? Almost identical copies? That's news. What and where are these "better products" that you say Fletcher has directly copied?

    So far, you appear to be a disgruntled opponent of Fletcher-Terry, but there must be more to your story.

    Your harsh criticisms seem to be unjustified. Tell us more about your knowledge and relationship with that company.
     
  4. Paul Cascio

    Paul Cascio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Jim wants disclosure? :)
     
  5. Maryann

    Maryann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Your rant might have some credibility if you had the courage of your convictions and filled in your profile. Otherwise, NOT.
     
  6. Bob Doyle

    Bob Doyle SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Oh Paul... This gave me a chuckle!

    Blakeman, thank you for the links. While accurate or not the additional viewpoint is valuable. We here like our FT products, can you tell? :) A laser cutting line on a wall mounted mat cutter isn't innovation, nor is it "copying" from others. It's just the latest cutter "gimmick" that is proving useful on chop saws, circular saws and band saws. I'm thinking about slapping a magnetic one on my chainsaw. Put a little fear of God (or fear of Bob) into the trees in my backyard.

    To me FT needs to expand their market to become more profitable. Or be like Bic and charge more for the consumables, blades ... their products use. But a wall cutter that lasts 30+ years with little more maintainence than changing a plastic bushing once in a while won't make a company rich. It'll make them loved, but not necessarily rich.

    Since there are so many glass shops in the country what do they use to cut glass? I know a few that cut by hand, but really with the tolerances of today's building arts a true straight line is preferable to a hand cut line. You Blakeman must be in that world, what is FT's competition in that arena? Is that the copying you speak of?
     
  7. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Sounds like sour grapes to me. I have bought plenty of junk that was made in the USA. Fletcher's quality standards are as high as any in the industry no matter where they make the stuff.
     
  8. Bob Doyle

    Bob Doyle SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Jeff, I hope my last paragraph doesn't read as snotty to Blakeman as it sounded to me when I just reread it ;)

    I was trying to say that my only experience with FT is through their framing equip. Their competition in our world, really only C&H is on a par with them for mat cutters but pales to FT in terms of wall mounted glass and mat cutters. Love my FT 3000 (MSTK3000 predecessor?) but would never use the other guys wall cutter.

    I have seen panel cutters in lumber yards, glass shops, and in the wheelchair customization shop I worked in (the last one was a cool job! Awesome tools!) So the 3000 looks a lot like a typical panel cutter, just modded for framing material. But maybe the glass world has something better? If so I wouldn't mind seeing it, but I wouldn't gie up the FT3000 for it.

    Maybe FT is getting wise about the consumables. I have been going through a lot of mat blades lately. And my glass wheel isn't lasting nearly as long as it used to....

    Conspiracy!!!!! The Man is trying to rob us little guys blind again!! Foil,. Foil I need foil!!!
     
  9. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I know what you mean about the man getting us Bob. I guess we can't complain about how long the stuff lasts.
     
  10. Luddite

    Luddite PFG, Picture Framing God

    Oh good, ..I feel better.Glad that others flew off the handle with me!!!:D L.
     
  11. JbNormandog

    JbNormandog SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer


    I chuckled....



    Back to the point, I agree with the others, if your going to fling arrows then you should flesh out a profile. Otherwise it just comes across as sour grapes.


    Bob
     
  12. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    In case we're running low, here are more supplies. :p



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    (Not meant as an opinion comment, either way. Just a bit of
    late night levity. If you want it gone, Paul, just let me know.)
     
  13. Luddite

    Luddite PFG, Picture Framing God

    OMG....Just saved the "sour grapes"!! Keep them images flowing Shayla. I`m going to need a shayla folder soon :) ! L.
     
  14. David N Waldmann

    David N Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I thought it was "green with envy". Oh well.
     
  15. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Nope, she nailed it with 'sour grapes'. :thumbsup:

    This is what 'envy' brings up:


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    (Sorry about the 'p' word. If anyone's bothered enough by
    it, let me know and I'll have the image removed.)
     
  16. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Well, it has been two days since the anonymous Blakeman issued his/her provocative commentary. We still have no answer to this question:

    Perhaps Blakeman is just too busy to respond.
     
  17. Bob Doyle

    Bob Doyle SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Jim, he (or she) may be. But since the links led to a glass world news link maybe he is in a different industry completely. The more voices the better, hope FT gets this re-org behind it. I was tiring of the LJ-TK-M bashing threads that used to be prevalent here but I don't want to see them replaced with a FT-Valiani-Bainbridge bashing brigade :) can't all us upset framers just crawl back to Warped and bash each other's opinions again!
     
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