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Gluing Silk To Plastic

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by shayla, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Shadowboxing a sort of 'bubbly' silkworm cocoon collage in a 39 x 39" frame. It was mounted in Africa, on a flat substrate that looks like thin white plastic/vinyl, which is laminated to a 1/8" masonite backer. The artist used some clear, stretchy, 'skin' to attach it. (Maybe a plastic film that's heat melted to apply?). It's coming loose in a couple of spots, so I have to re-attach the pieces. What would you use to attach a heavy silk fiber to plastic? (It's not a sheet of fabric; more like a nest, or like a bees nest, with no middle, just the walls).
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  2. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    You hav certainly been getting some challenging projects lately.
    :cool: Rick
  3. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    framing silk collage image 3678 march 2019.jpg framing silk collage detail.jpg framing silk detail 2.jpg
    (This last one shows what it's attached with. I don't know what the stuff is. Am using something else to attach the loose bits. At first, I used
    rice starch for one, because I thought it was on foam core. Then realized, it's a sort of vinyl.)
  4. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    framing silk detail 3.jpg

    The wispy 'net' looking domes are all the exteriors of silkworm cocoons. I think these two things are a combination of natural materials and her own weaving/layering. The one on the right is loose. framing silk detail 4.jpg
    This is the side of the board, where a bit of the plastic has peeled up from the masonite backer.
    framing silk detail 5.jpg
  5. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    You are buying into something that someone else screwed up and now you may be assuming some liability.
    Get in touch with an objects conservator (Paul Storch comes to mind) and see what they have to say.
    You are dealing with organic materials of unknown stability. Even if you are able to affect repair, it might just all crumble to dust in short order.
    May be best to do nothing.

    Note: There seems to be a movement away from organic starch mounting pastes toward inorganic water based starch, and then to pastes that use alcohol as opposed to water. Maybe a note to Hugh Phibbs is in order.​
  6. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Sounds like the good old Cow Gum. o_O
  7. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    It was given to a customer, who is a different bird than most. I've told her that, because of how it was made, the artist's work might last, or it might all fall off. She has photos for reference, if it does. It was made with items from a non-profit that she began. (Although I'll be sure to pass along the objects conservator note. It did make it here from Africa, but I'm suspicious of its chances for longevity.)
  8. JFeig

    JFeig SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Why did the customer bring in the object of art? Was this piece brought in for a new frame when the delamination was noted?

    I would just add a wide fillet or liner to the frame to camouflage the delamination.
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  9. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    It was framed without glass in a shallow, narrow oak, for a show about her project. She wants to keep, thus, the shadow box and glazing. (I did show her acrylic wall boxes, but was nixed).
    She's not aware of the slight delamination of vinyl on the side, (which is a bent-back edge, hidden under the rabbet). I showed it here to give an idea of what the material is. When she brought it in,
    in the first frame, I thought it was on foam core. Only realized the difference upon removal. One of the light, 'bubbles' had fallen off, which she wanted replaced, but wasn't aware of the heavier
    bit coming loose. I've written her another note, reiterating that there's no guarantee any of it will stay on the backing, and suggesting an object conservator. She wants to just take her chances.
    Sometimes, you get somebody who owns the thing, and wants to do whatever they feel like with it. I suppose I could ask her to come stick it on, if she's so keen on being risky. In a way, this
    project might be informative for her. It's product that her group develops and sells, (usually as simple, flattened textiles), and if she has one of these, (or which a few were made), she can see
    how well her offerings last. (It should be noted that the original framing and show were not at our shop).
  10. framah

    framah PFG, Picture Framing God

    Imagine.. a collage of kittie hair balls! KITTY HAIRBALL.jpeg
  11. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

  12. framah

    framah PFG, Picture Framing God

    Shayla... I have to say.......every time I see your avatar, I imagine it to be your eye looking at me. o_O

    Sad that my avatar is also so accurate.:eek:
  13. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    It's just as well, since I only have one eye. Sometimes, Dirk puts his hand over it and says, 'Guess who?', and I have no idea.

    (That should have been written in green ink, but it's too early.)

    Agreed that this piece is redolent with strangeness. The actual products they make, (flat, raw silk textiles), are nicer.
    I wish she'd gone with an acrylic wall box, as it's over two inches deep, and the shadowbox will (spoiler alert) add shadows.
  14. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I took Hugh's class on mounting with Klucel-G, and have been experimenting with it. It is alcohol-soluble, and is used as a consolidant for conserving crumbly leather items. Hugh likes it as a hinging adhesive because it contains no starch (which is food for critters and microbes) and because the alcohol evaporates quickly, which should help avoid cockling. I have been experimenting with it a little, but need to tweak the viscosity of the gel to achieve best adhesion. Will report back after more tinkering.
    :cool: Rick
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  15. framah

    framah PFG, Picture Framing God

    Well, Tinker away!!:confused:
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