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Grumbler Names In Profile

Discussion in 'The Voting Booth' started by CharlesL, Jul 26, 2002.

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Grumbler Names In Profile

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  1. CharlesL

    CharlesL PFG, Picture Framing God

    Should Grumblers be required to list their true names AND occupation IN THEIR PROFILES, along with their email address?
     
  2. Hobbes03

    Hobbes03 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Good poll Charles!

    -The Other Mike
    Mike Donohue
    Carmichaels Custom Framing
    Torrington, CT 06790 ;)
     
  3. rosetl

    rosetl CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I'm not sure, but I believe Framer has to have at least a valid e mail address for someone to register and post....at least when they first register. The administration of proving if the person is related to the framing industry would be a large amount of extra work and expense.

    I understand the concern with this poll, BUT, I also don't have a problem with someone wanting to post anonymous or not have their e mail address available for the many spider programs out there collecting addresses, etc on the totally public forum.

    I do think it would be prudent (and perhaps a requirement) for private message to be activated so private communication could occur if one chooses not to post an e mail address---and then "problem handling" and disagreements or approvals would all not have to be public.

    I found some discussion on limiting usage of the forum to trade only sometime ago and apparently it got dropped -- as far as I know anyone can register and post. Luckily the forum seems only to be attractive to those with some knowledge of the framing industry and moderators have cleared off some unsavory pranksters.
     
  4. Mike Labbe

    Mike Labbe Member, Former moderator team volunteer

    I would be on record against such a policy, because of confidentiality. All that matters is that someone has to be verified BEFORE they are allowed to post, which is between the host and the user. Mr McKay/UltimateBB verifies that folks are using a real address as part of the registration process. The only downside is that someone could still lie...

    There are people out there harvesting information for the purpose of spamming/selling us stuff. That's why I don't/won't post my last name or email.

    If we were to receive a series of "hit and run"/hate emails from someone trying to be anonymous, my opinion would change.

    In either case, he verifies the email address upon registration; and the software tracks the IP (internet address/fingerprint) of where the message originated. The IP is also kept in confidence, for the eyes of the administrator only.

    One other thing I have noticed is that grumble discussions often appear on search engines, and customers can easily find them (by accident).

    One way to stop is would be to set up a robot text file that instructs the search engines to ignore the message board content. That may or may not be a concern for folks(?) This is very easy to do, if Bill desires it.

    Just one person's rant/opinion [​IMG]

    Have a great weekend!
     
  5. PurplePerson1

    PurplePerson1 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I agree that it is better to remain anonymous to the public. Anyone could find out my name and e-mail address from my profile. I don't feel good about this.

    I think we need some level of personal security.

    I have my e-mail posted, but if I don't recognize the sender, I delete the mail. I don't want my name in public domain to be used by strangers.
     
  6. The King

    The King SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    You mean to tell me that Purple Person isn't your REAL name?

    I'm shattered.

    I think it's a lot harder for someone who uses an alias and guards their personal information closely to establish credibility on The Grumble, but it IS possible. Sometimes people have legitimate - and not sinister - reasons for being careful.

    I am annoyed, but not frightened, by spam and viruses and anyone who wants to steal my identity obviously hasn't looked very closely at my life.

    I choose to be open - and I tend to gravitate toward others who are - but I think it should remain a choice. When I started IMing with Framerguy, I had to ask him if he had another name I could call him. When he revealed his real name - Engelburt - I understood why he calls himself Framerguy on The Grumble.
     
  7. Less

    Less SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    A little mystery can be a good thing - still haven’t seen my wife in the light. Might be a good thing? :cool:
     
  8. BUDDY

    BUDDY PFG, Picture Framing God

    I for one have always wanted all of us to have to register our real name,address and occupation.I wish it was done in the profiles but it definaetly needs to be done some where.
    Wouldn't it be a lot better if we knew who we were shareing what with? Also if you wanted to say something privately this would also be easier.
    When Mike@GTP said : If we were to receive a series of "hit and run"/hate emails from someone trying to be anonymous, my opinion would change.
    He must not have read some of the BENREADIN post as well as a few others.Not to mention some of the private grumblers that tried to start selling there wares,and some who had nothing to do with Framing but enjoyed telling those of us who do how we should conduct our business.Have you also wondered how many of the consumers were checking to see what we were"HIDEING" from them?
    As most of you know I don't hide anything ,most of all who I am.
    Charles Buddy Drago CPF®
     
  9. unframed_mystery

    unframed_mystery CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I'm not 'hiding' from anyone, and after all the ranting posts about you-know-where I'm sure it's no secret where I work! ;)

    I don't really understand the big deal about having my real name posted on here though... I generally do everything online anonymously. Sheesh, I posted my photo, how much more do you want Ron?! :eek:

    If the nutters want to email me personally they are welcome too; my email address is available for all!!! But be warned: I may reply [​IMG]
     
  10. The King

    The King SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Easy there, UM. I agree with you. Read my post.

    Sometimes you don't know if you're talking to a framer, a vendor or a podiatrist. I have an unfortunate history of gender confusion on The Grumble, which shouldn't matter, except when you're taking about peeing off a dam! (Actual Warped thread. I'll find it for you.) We've gotten to know you, and I appreciate the photo. (Not too much confusion about your gender, either. ;) )
     
  11. rosetl

    rosetl CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Come on Ron -- what guy would be purpleperson or rose? he he People call me TL, doesn't help does it!!!!

    I switched to private mail only after Framer made a change in who was handling the list and I coincidentially got a extra large amount of spam and smut at that time. It works well -- I still get the e mail message -- just comes to me from framer.

    I have no problem sharing e mails & names with framers etc. I've met and argued with here on the Grumble....it's only a tiny bit of security on the unsavory stuff....including the 2 virus's that happily McAffee caught this week that came in on only my framing related E Mail that are important to avoid....especially on business computer.

    As we all know, the Grumble is very open -- and occasionally there is some exciting BS to deal with! I understand Mel set up HH to be PPFA members only as a way to insure it was only framers and related businesses....and it has ended up being a great PPFA benefit.

    And, I enjoy an on line "handle" -- I never got into CB radio's, I guess!
     
  12. CharlesL

    CharlesL PFG, Picture Framing God

    I don't know...I get spam, but have spam filters. just believe in 'full disclosure'. I have nothing to hide. Dr Fraud and Bo think differently, though.
    There's one person, in particular, who claims to be an 'executive', but hides behind an alias, and doesn't list his/her occupation.
    Guess its a personal thing with me...
     
  13. PurplePerson1

    PurplePerson1 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I don't have a problem saying my whole name in a thread or when I register. My problem is having it public in "My Profile" I live alone and it not the business of a passerby what my name is.
     
  14. Framerguy

    Framerguy PFG, Picture Framing God

    See, THIS is exactly why I vote for total anonyminity!

    That guy who presented himself at my art gallery this past spring bore a faint resemblence to the photos of that framer fella from Appleton but I was suspicious of him from the get go! He was too smooth, too knowledgeable about framing, and he had a live kid with him that knew more than HE did about most everything!

    OK, so I accidently leaked out my mother's choice for the baptismal certificate, so what?? After all, Mr. Humperdink didn't let it bog HIM down. So, now all of you have gotten a glimpse at some of my "dirty laundry". (Sheesh, you just can't trust ANYONE these days!!)

    Thank you Mr. EGGERS (allegedly)!!

    Framerguy, aka, Omar, aka, Tom, aka Englebert (Yes! Mine IS spelled with an "E"), aka, Oh forget it!
     
  15. ERIC

    ERIC SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Isn't it possible for someone to register TWICE?

    They can make their dignified posts under their real name, and then be a troublemaker under a vauge username/profile.
     
  16. unframed_mystery

    unframed_mystery CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    If anyone's neurotic enough to go to those lengths then why not just leave them to it...they obviously have way too much time on their hands and need an outlet for their multiple personalities to express themselves! (right, Herr Fraud? ;) )

    Any time you have a public forum, you pretty much have to resign yourself to the fact that there is only so much control you can have. Especially online, where people can create personalities whenever and however they want.

    I don't see the concern here; it's not like we post matters of international security here lol [​IMG]
     
  17. CharlesL

    CharlesL PFG, Picture Framing God

    Nobody that has posted here, so far, meets my request for names. We do have one or two real jerks that hide behind an alias, and list no occupation in their profile.
    Just a personal thing with me. I have nothing to hide, and stand behind what I say. If others would rather NOT be forthcoming, I don't have a problem with that. Not a BIG problem, anyway...
    If someone's going to call me names and make allegations, I'd like to know who they are. When I make allegations and call names, I stand behind my actions. Ah, well, to each his/her own.
    It does appear that the majority would like to know who's who, though.
     
  18. BUDDY

    BUDDY PFG, Picture Framing God

    When I read the folowing I couldn't help but wonder "Have I been around(OOPs) too long?"Or do these Grumblers have a bit to learn?

    "Isn't it possible for someone to register TWICE?"

    "If anyone's neurotic enough to go to those lengths then why not just leave them to it...they obviously have way too much time on their hands and need an outlet for their multiple personalities to express themselves! (right, Herr Fraud? )"

    I don't know where or how but in the search section you can find examples of this and more.
    BUDDY
     
  19. Lance E

    Lance E Member

    I too remember a few examples of this happening in the past, not too long ago actually.
    Maybe I have been "arpund" too long also.
     
  20. Emibub

    Emibub PFG, Picture Framing God

    Buddy and Lance, Please elaborate. I haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Just curious. :confused:
     
  21. BUDDY

    BUDDY PFG, Picture Framing God

    Most Of all Lance was pointing out that on my first posting I mispelled around.(TYPO)
    However there has been suspicions that some grimblers have had mutiple sign on names.For various reasons ,some very innocent and some,welll.
    My biggest complaint is you have no idea who you are addressing,they could be a customer ,competitor,vendor or supplier.If the vendors require their forum to be secured to Vendors only Why is it so hard to understand that all grumblers should know who they are speaking to ,or at least that they do work in the industry and how.
    BUDDY
     
  22. unframed_mystery

    unframed_mystery CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    It's easily understood why that is desireable. Trouble is, how do you plan to enforce it? Just because you insist that everyone supply that information does not guarantee they will tell you the truth ...

    You might as well not lose sleep over it...
     
  23. BUDDY

    BUDDY PFG, Picture Framing God

    Unframed ;
    Have you ever heard this quote of Harry Houdini,"Locks are not made to keep criminals out ,they are made to keep honest people in"?(Did I get that right Ron and John)Even though I think Mr. Houdini was correct, I still put locks on things I value.Don't you?
    I think what Harry was trying to say is the crooks will always find a way to get around locks and such.However it does make us feel more secure.It should ,not every crook is as capable as Houdini,and it deters some from aspireing to be .
    If you have NO security systems then every Tom ,Dick and Harry will foil your security.If you present no checks you are welcomeing the problem.
    As to looseing sleep ,the time to worry about a problem is when your trying to prevent it form happening, not after you have allowed it to continue.
    However either way I'll contunue to GRUMBLE as I am,I just wish it could be easier to know that the others are answerable for what they say and why,and that they are in the framing business.And real names and Occupations would greatly releive that problem.Until someone figures out how to get around that. But have you ever wondered why someone would lie awake at night doing that?
    BUDDY
     
  24. unframed_mystery

    unframed_mystery CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I guess I'm just too honest to conceive of all the possible evil plans that are cooking everywhere. I do take my own precautions wherever necessary; but I try to avoid stressing out over things I have no control over :( ... I have a great deal of other issues on my plate at the present time.

    But I do see your point about grumblers being upfront and not misrepresenting themselves. My question is, what do you plan to do about it? Unless Ron starts requesting applications complete with references prior to allowing grumblers to post messages, nothing's stopping anyone from coming in here and fabricating stories about themselves... :confused:
     
  25. The King

    The King SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    There's a related situation on the PPFA HH right now. A couple of posts have appeared casting some dispersions on the validity of the FACTS standards. There is no name, no location - and the email address is PPFAmember@aol.com. Not even an alias!

    How are we supposed to take someone seriously that does that?
     
  26. Mike Labbe

    Mike Labbe Member, Former moderator team volunteer

    Well keep in mind that the person on HH has been verified as a member of the PPFA, by the listkeeper. HH is very strict and keeps the discussions away from the public eye.

    The Grumble and Framehead(Framer Select's discussion board) are both public discussion areas that ANYONE can access without a password.

    What you saw is a demonstration of what can happen if we DO get strict. The administrator KNOWS who it is, but we dont.

    Mike
     
  27. Framerguy

    Framerguy PFG, Picture Framing God

    You and Eric probably weren't around for the saga of "Slowalkintexan" or the ballad of "Sue the Hollywood Frame Queen". There have been instances where there were "misrepresentations" made by posters here and, when we suspect something, we simply unleash our resident bloodhound, Marc, and he runs them down and trees them in no time! (He's got an unbelievable nose!!)

    There are people posting on the Grumble today who have or have had duplicate login names. That isn't hard to do. But the intent of doing anything is the issue here.

    As long as there are Grumblers who, working together, can track down these misrepresentations and put a stop to them, I have no worry about the information I post to this Grumble forum.

    Except when it comes to messin' with a person's real name and not spellin' the durned thing right!! .......................... Runald!!


    Framerguy
     
  28. David N Waldmann

    David N Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I think the idea of identifying yourself is that if you list a name and address it can be verified. Of course there is always the possibility of identity theft, but that's another matter and not a likely problem here (I hope!)

    On a slight deviation from the "task at hand", whenever I see Ron's identity RonEggers I see "Ro'n eggs", the ' representing a glottal stop as in "rotten eggs". Can't you change it to Ron-Eggers or Ron~Eggers?

    Even Runald Eggers :eek:

    Sorry, sometimes I just can't help myself.
     
  29. The King

    The King SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Isthisbetter,DavidNWaldmann?
    Ihopeso,causeIcan'tchangeitback.
     
  30. CharlesL

    CharlesL PFG, Picture Framing God

    Seems that the poll results speak for themselves...

    Again, I have nothing to hide. I am who I am, as opposed to some others who attack, and hide behind fake names and don't even list their occupations. The person I'm speaking of hasn't posted on this forum yet, not would I expect him to. It seems he'd rather hide behind a phony name. But...that's just my opinion.
     
  31. Barb Pelton

    Barb Pelton SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    You and Eric probably weren't around for the saga of "Slowalkintexan" or the ballad of "Sue the Hollywood Frame Queen". There have been instances where there were "misrepresentations" made by posters here and, when we suspect something, we simply unleash our resident bloodhound, Marc, and he runs them down and trees them in no time! (He's got an unbelievable nose!!)

    Framerguy[/QB][/QUOTE]

    OK. I'm like Kathy; in the dark here. Sounds like we missed something!

    I have to admit that I have had "second thoughts" of the wisdom of using my real name here--you just never know who you may run into. (I'm considering changing it to something clever, but I haven't felt very clever lately: suggestions welcomed).
    But, explain to me how a person knows who they are really talking to when their sign in name is something like "Framerguy", unless that person reveals it to us (as you were so good to do right off the bat)? I guess it would be better if we had to at least put our real names in the profiles, but that certainly wouldn't do anything about the fact that ANYone can sit and read everything without our knowledge..... :eek:
    HHmmmmm.
    I don't think I made a point at all here; just rambling on in my blonde sort of way...
     
  32. Ron's dog's flea's brain on acid

    Ron's dog's flea's brain on acid MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    With all due respect Framerguy, I do believe it was yours truly who exposed Slowalkintexan/Boots Tucker. [​IMG]
     
  33. Paul M

    Paul M Grumbler

    I could care less if a person gives there name or not... For the record If you do not give classes or work for the vendors in some way... Who would know you anyhow..

    You have a handle and that is who you are on that massage board..

    It seems to me that the only time this becomes an issue is when someone doesn't care for what someone else has said.. We never agree on everything... That is always going to be a good thing....

    Do I have to be an educator to get respect???Of course not... If you have My name and home phone number does that make me more entiltled to an opinion?? It should not....

    Perahps I look at the subject matter as the important issue... Who said it is not important.. I agree or I do not...

    I treat your opinion with the same respect I would treat shadowbox88934567.....Either I agree or I do not...
     
  34. CharlesL

    CharlesL PFG, Picture Framing God

    framer, unless you have a definite opinion on this, please close this thread. It seemed like a valid, good idea at the time, but, obviously, in spite of the poll results, people want to hide behind phony names. So....there's no point in continuining it, in my opinion.

    Thanks, Charles Lowry, who is NOT afraid to post his real name.
     
  35. The King

    The King SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Since this is the voting booth, I'd vote for keeping this thread open until it gets nasty or excessively long. I think there's been good discussion on both sides. What possible reason would there be to close it?
     
  36. David N Waldmann

    David N Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I think I'll open a vote for whether we should close this thread or not....

    Actually, I would likewise prefer to keep it open.
     
  37. Mike Labbe

    Mike Labbe Member, Former moderator team volunteer

    Smile

    Did I start this mess?
     
  38. The King

    The King SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    No, Mike. It's Kit's fault.

    It's ALWAYS Kit's fault.
     
  39. Framerguy

    Framerguy PFG, Picture Framing God

    Max,

    Sorry if I inferred anything other than to give a slight yank on Marc's chain! [​IMG]

    Framer,

    I would like to open a poll on whether to allow David to open a poll to question the continuation of this poll on whether to ............... Oh, just forget the whole thing and let it the way it is! :eek:

    And Barb,

    I have a great idea for a pseudo-name for you to hide behind. Nobody would EVER guess who it was. How about "Gimpy"?? Or are you completely healed by now?

    Well, if so, then how about "Tom's Friend from Poplar Bluff"? No? .......... Well, let me work on this and get back to you.

    Charles,

    Why won't you allow these rabble rousers to rouse a little?? For cryin' out loud, I have been rousin' rabble for years and have NEVER had anybody shut me down just for a good rousin'!

    Kit,

    Why did you have to start all of this, anyway?? I warned you about this fault thingy. You'll be awfully lucky if Sue doesn't send you to your room for an extended stay! :rolleyes:

    Framerguy
     
  40. Emibub

    Emibub PFG, Picture Framing God

    I guess I am pretty oblivious, I had no idea all this subterfuge existed here in Grumbleland. I've been incognito as emibub. Nobody will ever break that code. I've got ya all right where I want ya! :D
     
  41. Framerguy

    Framerguy PFG, Picture Framing God

    Incognito you definitely are NOT!

    They already know your name and they have a photo of your CAT!! It is only a matter of time before they will have you posted under "Who is Grumbler #--"!

    Watch your back, Kathy! They are out there..... Watching......

    Omar
     
  42. Emibub

    Emibub PFG, Picture Framing God

    Omar, You THINK you know my name, and you THINK it's my cat, or is it? insert maniacal laughing graemlin here. :D
     
  43. Ron's dog's flea's brain on acid

    Ron's dog's flea's brain on acid MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    "Welcome to The Grumble, my naive competitor . . . I guess when you have 10 other competitors within a 10-mile radius you feel the need to spew your inner-most business thoughts/ideas onto a public bulletin board . . .

    But I, of course am a coward . . . I hide behind an alias, freely offering information, ideas and exchange of opinion that may have the potential to help/encourage/p i s s off/amuse/enrage/or just plain bore other posters.

    You do not know me . . . but I now know you . . . thanks for spewing out your weaknesses, inner workings, personality, and shortcomings . . . now I will simply, anonymously, proceed to crush you . . .

    Just playing Devil's advocate . . .

    MAX
     
  44. CharlesL

    CharlesL PFG, Picture Framing God

    Max, Omar, aka: framerguy and Terminator, aka: Charles, KNOW where you are. We are secret agents and, as such, are omniscient. And, don't forget Agent PQRS, whose identity is much like the 'Giant Rat of Sumatra', for whom the world is not yet ready.
     

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