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Hanging frame corner samples? How?

Discussion in 'Grumble Archive pre 2004 Topics' started by FrameItEtc, Mar 9, 2002.

  1. FrameItEtc

    FrameItEtc CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Hi. How do you hang your moulding corner samples? I have been using Velcro, BUT, i have to change the wall material at least once a year and it catches **** holding up "larger" (3",4", 5" 6", etc) corner samples over a long period of time, after they have been removed...attached...removed...attached...removed...attached....

    Several years ago i remember seeing metal wall brackets with slots that attached to the wall and small metal plates for the corner samples, but can't find what business sells them.

    I would appreciate any suggestions.
    Thanks...ajhohensee
     
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  2. The King

    The King SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I'm using the Velcro for wood and the metal strips for all my metals. I suppose it might be possible to use the metal strips for wood corners but I think it would be awkward and inefficient. The little slots, which now hold plastic clips instead of attaching hardware to the corner, are at a preset spacing that would make it difficult to accomodate all the different widths of wood samples. Also the various rabbet depths could be a problem, since the clips are made to accomodate the rather standard channel of the metal samples. These display strips come from Nielsen and are generally available from any Nielsen distributor.

    When I opened 25 years ago, and for a VERY short time, I used 1/4" pegboard and golf tees to hang my samples. Now there was a classy, professional look!

    Ron
     
  3. Curly's Mom

    Curly's Mom MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Ron I remember it so well! It did keep everything in nice straight lines, didn't it?
     
  4. rosetl

    rosetl CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    There is another metal strip hanging system out there where little hooks come out -- I beleive it is made by Designer. We use it for our metals.

    I've been using indoor outdoor carpeting and berber carpet for some years with little problems you discuss. However, we usually staple on the velcro (because heat likes to destroy it) and add more to the larger samples.

    The only wearing out of the wall covering I've had is the velcro fabric that got a lot of sun exposure and eventually fell apart.
     
  5. Frank Larson

    Frank Larson CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I have seen shops that use regular shelf standards from the hardware store and put a screweye on the frame sample to hang it with. Works but I always wondered about the possibility of damaging artwork with any metal piece sticking out of the back of the moulding. I'll stick with velcro.
     
  6. The King

    The King SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I would think that screw eyes sticking out of the back of your corners would also tend to discourage any stacking of mouldings.

    Ron
     
  7. The King

    The King SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Oh sure, Curly. And when I switched to Velcro, I had to take up golf so I could use up all those tees.

    BTW, my 95-year-old father is still a way better golfer than I am, so I don't even want to think about the relevance of your signature.

    Ron
     
  8. ChrisW

    ChrisW CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    We use carpet, but it makes a big difference depending on the carpet you use. A fellow framer used a type that pulled and balled up within 3 months, he had to replace the whole wall.

    We use a type called Coronet Invasion and it shows no wear at all after 4 years. The base grade commercial carpet cost us 150$CAN for a wall 8'x 24'.
     
  9. tom davis

    tom davis True Grumbler

    I have my metal samples hanging with the slotted bracket and metal off set on the corner sample, the one disadvantage is the extreme care taken when working on designs. The off set on the sample has rather sharp edges and can scratch or dent if handled carelessly This device has the NIELSEN name stamped on the back. tdavis
     
  10. imported_Alan Rolph

    imported_Alan Rolph Grumbler in Training

    Why bother hanging your corner samples? Why not lay them flat on your counter/design area . The chevrons all fit snugly together and our customers are not afraid to "spoil the wall display",and happily seem keen to take an active part in the design process. Not too much of a part,of course! We find a few slapped wrists are called for at such times and they usually realise the error of their ways when we come up with that perfect combination - a design that not only suits their picture but also their purse or pocket.

    The other benefit for us is that using the counter for the samples leaves us with more precious wall space for artwork.

    PS Ref samples:- [​IMG]
    About thirty five years ago a retired framer gave me this advice " Never show the ladies everything
    you've got boy, it only confuses them"
     
  11. Terry Scidmore CPF

    Terry Scidmore CPF MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I recently switched to 6 foot metal standards that are used to put up shelving. I ran a length of self adhesive velcro over the top to the backside past the first screw hole,down the front, and over the bottom to the backside past the last screw hole. I screwed the bracket into the wall, using plastic wall anchors in the wall, just like you are putting up shelving. The screws go through the velcro along the length of the standard and secure it along the standards length. By wrapping the velcro over the top and bottom, the velcro is held securely on the ends. The standard keeps the samples just slightly off the wall. I found the standards, screws,and plastic wall anchors at a home center ($1.25 each standard), and the velcro through an outdoor/recreational fabrics supplier
    ($35.00 per 25 yard roll). So far this has worked quite well - the samples all stay on the wall securely, even the big ones. It is easy to rearrange, and the velco stays put on the standards. Before this I had tried wall fabric, velcro on the wall, metal frame strips with plastic pegs, metal frame strips with metal clips, table tops, etc., etc. I found that everything eventually fell off, fell down, came apart, didn't hook, wasn't organized, or limited where heavy or tall samples could hang. I am hoping that this is the last time that I have to hear a frame sample fall off the wall!
     
  12. Reynard

    Reynard MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Well I always used to use some sort of fabric that velcro would stick to but recently my wife has kind of taken over so she has picked out nice fabric that velcro doesn,t stick to and just uses the strips which are self adhesive and she also staples them down to the board for extra strength.It kind of makes everything look better and after sixteen years my sample boards are looking quite good.As she regularly points out.
     
  13. Reynard

    Reynard MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I meant to say as well that we have a plan chest with ten drawers which doubles up as our counter.I also stash samples in the drawers usually the top of the range stuff and some of the gilded finishes I do that can get weatherbeaten with regular handling.Its been a good way of selling highly priced picture framing.Well there is nothing on my sample boards that seem to suit your work but let me show you these!They feel like they are getting a private view of an exclusive range.Which I suppose they are.But they genuinely seem impressed usually
     
  14. Sherry Gray

    Sherry Gray CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    About three years ago I changed my design area and we attached automotive carpet to the wall. Works great. Took some doing to get it securely attached but it's definitely worth it. Used a medium gray color that works well with the samples. The first step was to nail plywood to the wall with a wooden strip all the way across the top. We then stapled the carpet to the top strip and glued it to the plywood all the way down. A nice frame on it quite nicely finished the job. Size is about 12 x 8.
     
  15. gemsmom

    gemsmom SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    All my walls are carpeted. We screwed wood strips the wall and screwed 4 x 8 sheets of particle board to that. If we ever move(not again in this lifetime) or close (doubtful), the next tenent will be able to remove the carpeting and boards without damaging the walls too much. It was the only way I could get the landlord to agree to carpeting on the walls. Love it. No holes in the walls from hanging pictures or displays, and the velcro holds corners great.
     
  16. Rick- San Antonio Texas

    Rick- San Antonio Texas Grumbler in Training

    No, I did not fall off the face of the earth, I just was working and studing alot.
    Well, I am opening the first part(commerical only) of my shop very soon and finishing the website very soon.
    On the sample hanging issue. I plan on using magenets on the back of the samples. You can buy sheets of magnetic material and cut to size.
    For the walls, I making fabric covered stainless steel sheets in panels framed in dark wood for the wall.
    The really cool thing is that the design tables are going to be brushed stainless tables also so the frames will actually help hold down those pain in the but rolled prints. You know the kinds, the ones that eject moulding and mat samples if you take your hands off of them.
    I used the cabinet shelf strips at my first shop and turned out to be a big pain in the butt when it came to discontinuing and adding samples.
    With the magnets, just move them around as you please.
    Anyway, just an idea I have, hope it can help alittle. Rick Colunga San Antonio, Texas
     
  17. Framerguy

    Framerguy PFG, Picture Framing God

    Rick,

    That is one heck of a good idea - stainless steel walls and magnetic material attached to the backs of the frame samples! Have you checked out some of the heavier samples to see if they will stay put and not skid down the sheet??

    My only question is how can you afford the stainless steel sheets?? That stuff has got to be terribly expensive. Unless you have an outlet for refurbished sheets or surplus stuff I can't imagine how the cost wouldn't be prohibitive.

    And one other point, unless you order your samples without velcro on them, you are going to have to peel off all those velcro triangles and other shaped chunks from all of your frame samples.

    When I rehabbed this old house that my gallery is presently located in I carpeted the entire wall behind my customer counter with a single level berber carpeting in a neutral tan. I also carpeted 3 sides of my customer counter many years ago when I built it and both are still looking good and work well. The only corners I have trouble keeping up are deep shadowbox samples, especially the heavy oak and ash samples.

    Framerguy
     
  18. lyoncat

    lyoncat CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Hey Rick.Hi
    I just want to say that it sounds VERY expensive to do stainless steel walls. Gee, I think I would find another place for that dinero.
    Most frame samples come with velcro already attached now, and if you were going to cover the walls with carpet anyway, why not use MDF or plywood.
    FOr the counter, the idea is great, especially if you want that new "metal" look that is sooo hot.
    I would spend the $$$$ on accessories that emphasis your counter, and let the walls just disappear, with plenty of samples and displays.
    Just a thought.
     
  19. Pietrina

    Pietrina Grumbler

     
  20. Pietrina

    Pietrina Grumbler

    I realize this is an old post but I was hoping you would enable to help me figure out how many moulding samples I could show on an 8 x 12 wall. I am opening my business in April of this year and am trying to figure what I can showcase. Thank you for any assistance you can give me.
     
  21. Pat Murphey

    Pat Murphey SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Your more likely to find someone to answer by starting a thread in the main "Grumble", not he archive.
     
  22. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    There are variables influencing the number:

    -how much space will you allow between columns?
    - how high can you reach?
    - will you have group or collection titles?
    - will you have any space at all between each sample, or will you jam them all in?
    - do you include metals on the same wall?

    Today's my day off, but I can give you a rough count tomorrow, based on my wall, jamming them all in as close as possible to each other. The reps hate this, btw.
     
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