Opinions Wanted Hanging metal frame to the stone wall

NYJim

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
Hello everyone!
Happy New Year!

I have a project where I would need to hang/glue 10 metal frames profile 12952.N to the stone wall .... ( I was told smooth stone )
The biggest picture size is about 36 by 30 and the smallest about 11 by 13.
Optimum acrylic used they are not very heavy.

What tape would you use ?
Thank you
 
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Ylva

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Happy new year to you too!

I have a bit of a hard time wrapping my mind around this question. First comes to mind: why would you glue or tape this to the wall?

No holes in the stone allowed? I doubt that any glue would create a strong enough bond between a metal frame and a stone, uneven, wall. Do they never have to be removed ever again?

I doubt any kind of tape would hold
 

NYJim

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
Happy new year to you too!

I have a bit of a hard time wrapping my mind around this question. First comes to mind: why would you glue or tape this to the wall?

No holes in the stone allowed? I doubt that any glue would create a strong enough bond between a metal frame and a stone, uneven, wall. Do they never have to be removed ever again?

I doubt any kind of tape would hold
I'm sorry for the strange question. If they allow me to drill the wall I will hang all pictures using wires but I don't think this is going to happen . Also this is commercial space so nobody should be able to remove them ..... I used to use 3M velcro but it was long time ago and I thought someone will have a similar problem . Personaly I didn't see the wall yet - I just need to be as ready as possible....
 

Ylva

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I like strange outside the box questions, just thinking out loud and trying to understand the concept.

One of my questions to client would be if they would ever need to be removed again. I would start by asking if they are opposed to drilling holes. What kind of art is in the frames?
Smaller pieces would be easier than the 30x30 piece.

Glue directly on the frame might not work well. If no drilling allowed in the wall, maybe think of glueing a back board to the wall and hang the pieces from there?
 

prospero

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I'm thinking drilling the wall would make less impact than gluing. If you did manage to find a glue that
would hold, on removal you'd probably fetch a chunk of the stone away, or leave ugly marks.

Without seeing the site I would consider fixing floor-to-ceiling vertical wooden battens. Although they would
be visible they would be stronger and not leave (significant) holes.
 

Jim Miller

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Adhesive bonds usually fail over time, and in one of three ways:

1. One or both of the surfaces to be joined may disintegrate.

2. The adhesive itself may fail over time, either because it deteriorates, or it is inadequate to support the load.

3. Surface contamination (skin oil, dust) or irregular surface texture (stone wall!) may limit the bonding strength from the outset.

Being generally distrustful of adhesives under stress of gravity, I would advise against gluing or taping the frames to the wall. Mechanical attachments are much more dependable and practical, so I suggest you drill and use screw-anchors. Often, lightweight frames can be supported by screw-anchors in holes as small as 3/16" diameter. The holes can be patched in the future.

In any case, some day the frames will be removed from the wall, because walls are permanent and decor is not. If the frames are glued, the mess would be larger and much more difficult/costly to clean up than patching a few small holes in the wall left after removal of the screw-anchors.
 
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JFeig

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
You added an additional restraint in your response; that of security handing in a commercial environment. The customer has to make a decision that is out of your realm. The decision is either keep the wall without holes or have a theft resistant installation. Note that I used the word "resistant". If someone really wants to remove the picture framed art, it will disappear.
 

David Hewitt

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
A photo of the wall would help. Without a photo I will offer some thoughts.

1st, if the wall has grout you can drill the grout area with a small concrete drill ( I have one that's 3/32 ) drill on a 45 angle, install a toothpick if needed, and now you can use a standard hanger. This is simple and functional. The minor hole in the wall will be hard to see by being on an angle, and can be easily filled in if need be.

2nd, a gallery system can be hung at the very top of the wall and give hanging flexibility in the future.
 
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Pat Murphey

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Google "gallery wire hanging systems" to see some non invasive options (at David's suggestion).
 

Greg Fremstad

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
FrameTek Inc makes a hanger designed specifically for metal frames called "FrameSecure" I've hung a 4 x 8 foot piece of 5/8" thick particle board in a metal frame on a concrete wall with just one set of hangers. See them on the frametek web page at frametek.com
 

DVieau2

PFG, Picture Framing God
If the frames are to be hung collage style or in a row you could use picture frame connectors to tie them together and then use less hanging hardware. If the frames are light enough you might get away with two or three points of support.
The flange of this connector fits nicely into the channel of a metal frame and they are quite strong. Use more than one with larger frames

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