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"I want to see both sides" (Sandwich between glass help)

Discussion in 'Picture Frame Design' started by DarcRainbow, May 31, 2017.

  1. DarcRainbow

    DarcRainbow Grumbler in Training

    I'm sure we are not the only to shop to constantly get the "I want this framed between two pieces of glass so I can see both sides, it should be simple!"... They have these at the big box stores (walmart) for cheap, but they are... cheap... but they are also designed to accomplish this look quite simply.

    My question to all of you... How do you accomplish this look?

    Recently we used a channel frame with two pieces of plexiglass and the art had two small dots of silicone holding it in place. It looked beautiful from both sides, and the customer was beyond pleased. But this was also a spendy endeavor that doesn't work for all of our customers. I feel like there has to be a "simple" solution to use more standard/affordable moulding and secure two panes of glazing without using framers points or other visible hardware. Open to all suggestions, thanks in advance for your time! <3
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  2. Dave

    Dave SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I would use two mats back to back with the artwork between the mats. I then employ quarter rounds (wood strips usually available at any hardware store or Lowe's, Menard's or Home Depot to hold your choice of glazing in. Paint to match frame and paint the back of the frame also. I pre-drill the quarter rounds and use brads to hold them in the frame filling with wood filler. Use sawtooth hangers or some other appropriate wireless hanger so you don't have a messy wire to contend with if you take it off the wall to view the other side.

    You can also do a float technique using no mats by using rare earth magnets...

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  3. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    You don't want to just "mush" the art between two pieces of glass. To do a float, I would hinge the art to a piece of good matboard slightly smaller than the art size, and then adhere the mounted piece to the back glazing using acrylic gel medium (a non-offgassing substitute for silicone). Then space the front glass away from the art surface using 1/4" deep acrylic spacers or Framespace. The package can then be retained in the rabbet of the frame by squeezing brads through hollow plastic spacers (Econospace). This makes a nice looking presentation, and is easy to do. No need to paint wood strips.
    BTW, if the customer asks for this "floating look" because they think it will be cheaper than proper matting etc., they have another thing coming. (A bigger bill.)
    :cool: Rick
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  4. Dave

    Dave SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    ^^^ but she wants to be able to see both sides of the framed piece, Rick.

    In my float mount the pieces are spaced off the glass by the rare earth magnets and spacers in the rabbet too. One set of magnets are glued to the back glazing and then the documents are held in place with another rare earth magnet on the front of the document.
  5. DarcRainbow

    DarcRainbow Grumbler in Training

    Beautiful! Thank you :) I am still in my learning stages... oh wait... that stage never ends!!
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  6. Al B

    Al B CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    In life - it is always best to stay curious:D
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  7. KPF

    KPF CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I have a few ways of dealing with the "double glass" projects. They can be annoying, but what can you do?

    Here's a square Gramercy 346791 moulding from Larson Juhl. I've attached photos so you can see what I did.

    Attached Files:

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    GUMBY GCF SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I am doing one now if I have time I will post goes like this. Frame, glass conservation clear, single mat, mylar, art work, mylar, single mat, acrylic, pin 1/4 round ,wall buddies.

    Added Extra cost mat, acrylic, 1/4round, can of spay paint, wall buddies.
  9. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    There are a number of different versions of seeing both sides.

    Probably the most costly and labor intensive is the "both sides have to be framed the same so that it can be hung either way with no difference from one side to the other".
    You will probably have to modify the moulding to make it a 2-sided moulding and the 2 frames will have to be joined together after the fitting.
    It may have to be hung by a chain at the top so it can be flipped on the wall and displayed either way.
    This method is fairly rare and often isn't needed, but we have done it.

    Then there is the "frame the front and I just want to be able to see the back if I want to turn it over and look at it or read it".
    The item is hung on the wall and actually is rarely, if ever, taken off the wall so the back can be viewed.
    This can be done pretty easily with glass and mat on the front and plexi and mat on the back with a small mat at the back to hold the attachments and then a paperback to the mat to just cover the attachment and give a clean look to the back.
    That's how we did this one. It can also be hung from the top or the bottom, depending on which is the top or the bottom, Hearts or Clubs...
    A very large Alice in Wonderland card that was about 36" x 48"...

    Back Front
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    Then there is the channel frame, as for stained glass where you have to join the frame around the art and glass package so that it can hang and be viewed from both sides.

    Floating between glass is a whole other ballgame and we've done that as well.
    Labor intensive but if that's what they want, we charge accordingly.
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  10. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I've done this by making the internal glass/mat/art/mat/glass package into one lump by taping around the edge.
    I use p-90 tape.
    You need a quite deep rabbeted frame.
    Drop the sandwich in and make a frame with some flat section timber, say 3/4" x 1/4". You can use some gold slip
    or whatever is handy. Then you need some spring clips which bear on this flat insert and don't press directly on the glass.
    The beauty is that the clips can be easily slackened and the innards removed and flipped to display either side while still
    allowing both sides to be seen. You don't need a double-faced frame as the frame always points face-out.

  11. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    That's a good method.;)
    I often find that the customers who say that they want to be able to see both sides, really just want to see the front and they rarely want to take the frame off of the wall and flip it.
    What I have found in my many years of framing (too many?:confused:) is that most people don't even know what they have on the wall after it has been hung.
    It just becomes a peripheral decoration and they enjoy it but they don't really focus on it.
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