Scarface, some of what you say is true. LED sales for me have died, and I think that reflects problems and changes within that area of the industry. However, sales in Utah of "non essential" product, such as framing, are down dramatically. Our area is dominated by one religion that for year has emphasised emergency preparation. This year with the end of the century and the Y2K problem on the horizon, they have a seemingly perfect reason to stock up and prepare for disaster. In addition, their leaders have encouraged them to get out of debt, stop using credit cards, etc. In and of itself, great advice, but it doesn't help the small retail business. Across the board people I meet from framer's to photographers, to hot tub sellers are telling me that business is flat. My business was off 40% last December and I am averaging 3O% down for the year. That's more than just boredom. That's a deeper problem that I don"t see going away before 2000, if I'm around then.