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Is any other non-Michigan framer getting the shakedown from the state of Michigan

Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by johnny, Nov 27, 2009.

  1. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Be sure to invoice them for your time as long as it keeps you under the floor of liability.:shutup:
  2. johnny

    johnny SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    LOL funny man.

    It's been a day worthy of Kalfa.

    First this problem.

    Then the manager at my personal bank told me that my free checking account has been upgraded to free checking with $1500 non-interest bearing in the account at all times as a min balance AND I have to accept their credit card and charge $5000 on it and never let my balance get under $5000 or transfer $5000 worth of savings back from ING and leave it with them instead at a lower rate. I guess they showed me. I was so annoyed when I got back to work I forgot I already inserted V nails in a 4" wide El Greco $360 chop and blew the v nails through the top of the frame.

    And.. well this is gross.


    I'm sick.

    You hear about the serial killer they caught in Cleveland a few weeks ago? The guy had 11 decomposing bodies in his house.


    There is a sausage shop next door to the house.


    The people around the neighborhood blamed the horrible smell on the sausage shop.


    Agricultural Dept noted the smell while in the shop.


    I thought... who the #### would eat sausage from that shop now. How can they still be in business. This is gross.. the place was permeated with the smell. They spent $20,000 redoing the plumbing in there to try and get rid of it.


    Well... you know it... I'll eat it!!

    I just found out that they sell the sausage the to hella expensive supermarket that I was buying my food at. So I ate that sausage. In my thanksgiving stuffing. In my pasta sauce.

    YUMMMMM Stench of decomposing people sauage at $6 a pound!!! Yummmo!

    I want to throw up but I'm still in shock.




    i'm sick
  3. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Talk about a bad day. Hang tough, you've been through other rough times and will again.
  4. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Good grief, Johnny - what a day - you shoulda stood in bed!

    Hope you have other banks to choose from.

    And even when I was not a vegetarian I NEVER ate sausage. Euuu.
  5. johnny

    johnny SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Thanks Jeff!

    Mar, last time I stood in bed I nearly broke the ceiling fan :( kachunk kachunk kachunk kachunk kachunk
  6. RParrish

    RParrish PFG, Picture Framing God

    Like there is any biz in Michigan :cry:
  7. simplymatted

    simplymatted SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I just thankful that our gov. cant run again. Any one looking for a new gov? This thread got me thinking, is there a list of states that require sales tax sent to them? Im thinking I wont do internet sales and ship to them states, geeezzzzzz what a nightmare in paper work alone.
  8. Steven6095

    Steven6095 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    It is was me, I would call the AG office first thing in the morning and explain what is going on.
  9. Dave

    Dave SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Don't know about Ohio, but when I was in Indiana the law was that if you delivered out of state by your own company vehicle and the entity was taxable, you had to collect sales tax for that state. If you delivered by common carrier it was tax exempt (shipped out of state) and you did not have to collect sales tax as it was the customers responsibility to pay the tax to their own state.

    We ended up doing both and, as such, paid sales tax to both Indiana and Michigan. We only paid Michigan sales tax once a year and it amounted to only a couple hundred bucks.
  10. johnny

    johnny SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Issue is resolved. I sent in a questionaiire and followed up with a phone call. They determined I'm not doing business in Michigan and said I need do nothing further. Much ado about nothing I guess.
  11. Beveled

    Beveled SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Glad you were able to resolve this. Now if you could get back the 10 years of stress it caused you . . .
  12. more_so

    more_so SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I'd like to see noses of government tax agencies held to the grindstone in regards to the distress they cause ordinary people by coming on so threatening in their earliest contacts.

    Their basic premise is that you're guilty as heck until proven innocent. I seem to recall that's not how we're supposed to do things in this country. Not only do those kinds of experiences disrupt making a living, the stress takes weeks and months off peoples lives.

    BILL WARD SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    really sounds like a scam(just can't get my mind around any state trying this kind of grift) but the main reason they'd be coming after you is that they fingure---small biz = small budget = easy win!!!!!!!!!
    what a tremendous scheme for any/every state---crucify the entire populace of the web world! the state guys absolutely will NOT wish their nefarious scheme to be made general knowledge(which your news links would negate).

    you dont say WHERE in the state you live---if a small city it will be more difficult but in a large city you might want to contact the "60 minutes' guys, and go to the local news people(they will LOVE this one!), and the local news papers(speak things like AP/UP feeds), and the nearest ALCU(no I NOT a fan of theirs :vomit: but they actually can have their uses-few tho they are). At the absolute least--I'd get a web-savy lawyer(who is ALSO liscensed to practice there). You DID save any/ALL communications from them, yes(backed up AND put on memory stick off site)??? And I would also have a recorder handy in case they call you(and I would NOT mention that you're doing it!!!!!!!!)

    I can just see it now!!!!!!! there you are, on camera(60min & Good Morning America & Jay Leno!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) spilling the beans on this whole insidious "t e r r o r i s t" plot of theirs to completely undermine what's left of our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!! All surrounded in smoke/mirrors just to make a couple of bucks on the small biz guys on the web. ;) keep us posted about what's going on
  14. RParrish

    RParrish PFG, Picture Framing God

    Bill I was talking to my CPA last week and was telling him about Jonnies story and he said the Michigan Department of Treasury is hiring like crazy, looking any where for funding. In my mind it amounts to a phishing scam.
  15. johnny

    johnny SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    That's happening here too. I also have two local tax agencies that sent in auditors in person. One left paperwork to fill out. Another physically measured the store. I asked him why I'm getting two auditors in the same day and he said that they got some Federal money to hire more auditors to kick-start their auditing again. So the Michigan thing is done but I think it's still going to be a pretty bad year.
  16. SportShots

    SportShots CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Add one line of small print to your website: "We do not sell to or do business with those in Michigan".

    Then tell these jerks to go to ####. If they show up at your shop call the police and have them escorted off the premises.
  17. Not your average framer

    Not your average framer CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I wonder what would happen if you were to contact a few radio stations in Michigan and suggest that out of state companies are likely to boycott doing business with Michigan businesses.

    A further suggestion that it might cost jobs in Michigan could really start something, which might just cause the Michigan state govenment a whole lot of trouble which they can do without!
  18. Bill Henry-

    Bill Henry- SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I’m not too sure that radio and TV stations would want to get involved. It is not uncommon for those stations near state borders to generate revenue by advertising across state lines.

    New Hampshire, for example, routinely advertises to Massachusetts and Maine residents to come shop in “tax free New Hampshire”.

    There is a chain of muffler/brake shops in both NH and Mass. The Massachusetts Dept. of Revenue sued one of the shops in New Hampshire for not collecting sales tax on those Massachusetts citizens who cross the border to get their brakes fixed.

    The New Hampshire courts stepped in and stated very firmly that other states have absolutely no claim to tax goods and services sold in New Hampshire regardless of where the people reside.

    A few years ago, Massachusetts State Police used to park their cruisers outside of NH liquor stores and take license plate numbers of people from Massachusetts who bought booze. They would follow the cars over the border and arrest them for “tax evasion”. It got so silly that the New Hampshire cops started arresting the Mass. cops in the liquor store parking lots for vagrancy. It was all great theater.

    Regardless of what Michigan says in their laws, I cannot believe that they have any enforcement powers outside of their state.

    Unless, of course, Michigan and Ohio have come kind of reciprocity agreement, and, in that case, you’re toast.
  19. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Funny that I got an e-mail from Michigan today looking to buy frames. I hardly ever sell anything that needs to be shipped because I never get fully compensated for the time it takes to pack. This is the first ever inquiry from Michigan but after Johnny's experience I have adopted a wholesale only to licensed vendors on shipped merchandise. I haven't responded to the e-mail yet but the first response will be for the buyer to e-mail a scan of the license before we ever begin any type of discussion. Have they begun an entrapment scheme. Nothing else seems to be working for that state.

    Now does everybody know why Ohio doesn't slide down the map of the U.S.?


    GO BUCKS!!!!!!

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