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Suggestion Joining two big frames at customer's location

Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by NYJim, May 8, 2019.

  1. NYJim

    NYJim CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Hello,

    I have a project: I need to join two frames- sizes about 60 by 80 at customer location. ( can't bring them joined ).
    How would you do that?
    My first thought was to bring 8 wises and set it up there but may be there are better way...
    Thank you
     
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  2. munnframeworks

    munnframeworks CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I would put bisquits in all corners , use glue on site and join with
    Zipbolt UT 11.600 Maxi Mitre Connector
     
  3. bruce papier

    bruce papier MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    How large is the moulding you're using?

    Why do the frames have to built on site?
     
  4. NYJim

    NYJim CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I need to join two larson's floaters so I don't think I have enough wood to use zipbolt.
     
  5. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    Too big for the vehicle?
     
  6. NYJim

    NYJim CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Can't bring to the building too big for the elevator.
    Use Floater frames 658141 larson
     
  7. munnframeworks

    munnframeworks CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    You can put biisqiuts top and back with glue and micro pin together let dry for short time then hang
     
  8. FramerCat

    FramerCat SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I have an Inmes 2 manual underpinner that I can take with me for jobs like this.

    Ed
     
  9. NYJim

    NYJim CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Could you tell me more about it, please I didn't get it...sorry. Thank you
     
  10. munnframeworks

    munnframeworks CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    You put a wood biscuit in bottom of float a mini biscuit at back with glue. also 23 ga micro pinner to hold in place till dry ( holes are invisible),
     
  11. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    I once framed a very large canvas at the Brown Palace Hotel in Denver Colorado.
    This was in about 1980.
    I brought the cut frame pieces and the stretcher sticks to the hotel and we had to remove the panel in the ceiling of the elevator to get them to the room.
    I also had to stretch the canvas on site and install it in the frame.:eek:
    I stretched the canvas while the frame was set up in the vises.
    I glued and joined the frame in 4 vises and I drilled the corners and hammered in finishing nails and then used putty to fill the nail holes.
    This was how we joined all frames back then, drilling, finishing nails and a little putty to fill the nail holes.

    You can put nails in only on the top and bottom if you like so they won't be seen but I always alternated corners, drill and nail on the right, drill and nail on the right.
    That way any stress on a leg of the frame is reduced and nobody will see the puttied nail holes.
    You can also cross nail but I never did that.

    If it's a canvas on stretchers going into the frame, mine was and I'm assuming your's are because of the floater frame, the canvas can be screwed to the floater from the back with counter sunk screws and that will reinforce the frame and make it one solid unit.
    I'm not sure how they ever were able to move the piece that I framed out of that room at the hotel if they had to later on, but my job was done...;)
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2019
  12. Pat Murphey

    Pat Murphey SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    This is a detail biscuit joiner, no longer available, but see below for an ebay offer. It's perfect for joining frames. Sears online still carries the R3 mini biscuits. I joined a 6 foot by 9 foot frame for a customer in their living room using them. Fast setting Maxim glue allows you to hold each corner manually until setting, if you can figure out a strap clamp set up.

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    https://www.ebay.com/p/Craftsman-Detail-Biscuit-Joiner-917550/1421882516

    https://www.sears.com/wolfcraft-90-pc-of-r3-mini-biscuit/p-00929097000P
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2019
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  13. MATTHEW HALE

    MATTHEW HALE CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    well aint that just the cutest thing ever
     
  14. bruce papier

    bruce papier MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    The detail biscuit joiner is a handy tool if you can dig one up. You can put a biscuit in the back flange fairly easily. Putting one in the upright portion of the frame could be tricky. The moulding may be too narrow to take a biscuit. I'd practice in any case.
     
  15. CB Art & Framing

    CB Art & Framing SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Vices, Cornerweld wood glue, 23guauge nail pinner (portable air compressor) or drill with brad nails & drill.
     
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  16. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    Almost exactly as I did in my previous post about a job from 1980 at the Brown Palace Hotel in Denver.

    I used the vises, Cornerweld, a drill and finishing nails instead of a nail gun and compressor.
    I was joining all frames this way from 1969 in Chicago until about 1992 in Phoenix.
    No need to go out and buy more equipment to join 2 frames.

    We didn't have CMCs and we didn't have vnailers and we didn't even have Fletcher wall cutters back then.
    At our shop now we have A CMC, multiple wall cutters, 2 heat vacuum presses, cold mount roller presses, a Laser cutter, 2 vnailers, 4 saws, a new large printer, 5 computers, etc. etc.....:confused:
    Times have changed but the basics of framing are still there.
     
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  17. David Hewitt

    David Hewitt CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Your moulding supplier may offer chop with wedges, this would work for onsite.
     
  18. CB Art & Framing

    CB Art & Framing SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I still use vices & nails for odd shaped or shadow box mouldings
     
  19. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Especially for a floater, Hoffmann would be my answer. And even if not!
     
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  20. snafu

    snafu MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    How did they get the art in? floater is not much bigger than the artwork
     
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  21. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Floaters are most often used on canvases. Therefore the canvas could be brought in a roll, keyed stretchers knocked down.

    Next thing you need (as I already said!) is a Hoffmann'd frame!!
     
  22. NYJim

    NYJim CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    What is Hoffman'd frame?
    I'm using floaters and the art already in the apartment stretched....
     
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