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laminating the original art... problem, help and advice

Discussion in 'Art Matters & News' started by HIEP, Apr 17, 2017.

  1. HIEP

    HIEP Grumbler in Training

    Hi all,

    I have a problem with the original prints having a signature ( of customer,) that i laminated prints on vacuum hot press machine to make it flat, after getting prints out (it is perfect flat, but ...) I found there are 2 tiny yellow traces (around 10cm) on 2 sides of prints at the white coated border (not inside the picture) may be caused by the heat. These yellow lines is unclear, but this happened and customer does not satisfy that problem. I use eraser, it does not work, because this line is under the coated substance, I think.

    So I intend to ask this issue on the grumble:
    - Can Original prints be laminated by vacuum press machine?
    - How to solute/ or erase the yellow traces which I believe it is caused by heating.

    I already apply other method, that use a mat board cutting a window which covering the yellow traces (lines) and the matboard is fixed in frame.
    But this method is not really well appreciated.

    Thanks for your advice and help.
    Hiep
     
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  2. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    I would need a bit more information: what do you mean by "original print"? Is this a print made from an original artwork, or is it an original artwork? What is the medium? Is it a giclee? Is it a print made by the artist?

    If the yellow marks are on the border, and not on the artwork, what is wrong with using a mat to cover them?
     
  3. Keith L Hewitt

    Keith L Hewitt MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Hiep, I suggest you add a photo to show what you are describing.
     
  4. HIEP

    HIEP Grumbler in Training

    Sorry for late reply, I think this is giclee print (have a signature, emerged stamp and number from other side.) photo is attached.
    You can see yellow line from each side of border (unclear), but pay more attention, then you can see these traces and other photo which matboard covered.
     

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  5. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    So you laminated it with a plastic film and the yellow lines appeared under the laminate.

    What could have happened is that the yellow lines were already there, and the laminating process just made them darker. In some cases they will disappear over time.
     
  6. HIEP

    HIEP Grumbler in Training

    Actually I laminated the back of prints, put it into vacuum press machine to extracting air and making flat the prints. There is not lamination on top of prints, except for releasing film.

    "the yellow lines were already there"? when we received this prints from customer, we have not noted these lines, so I dont know really; yes perhaps, when laminating process then making them darker...! And yes, hopefully this will be disappeared over time, . That is courtesy reply way to customer.

    So question, the artwork (as this ''original" prints) on giclee printing, can be laminated on heating vacuum press machine?
    Or just do a hinge as conservation method?

    Regards,
     
  7. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Giclee can be laminated, but I only do this when plaque-mounting or mounting and laminating on HDF. Usually giclees get the full mat treatment.
    I laminate giclees on canvas as well.

    I've never dry-mounted a giclee to flatten it, however. If the customer wants it flattened, I would really try to talk them out of it.
     
  8. HIEP

    HIEP Grumbler in Training

    Thank you very much, for your help. it is experience for me, he complaints why I dont tell him about this before.
    I dont know how to get out the the yellow marks, I must use a matboard to cover these marks.

    Regards,
     
  9. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    A good demonstration of why you should not mount/laminate work that is not replaceable.

    The process is fraught with danger. o_O

    Also, by permanently altering the work by sticking stuff to it, you have essentially destroyed it as far
    as a serious collector would be concerned. Flattening the print in a press is one thing, but this would mean
    putting it in a press for a few seconds on low heat. I can't understand why you would want to stick film
    to the back. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Keith L Hewitt

    Keith L Hewitt MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I know Hiep well and remember the time we visited Cambodia together .
    In those days enterprising motor cyclists waited outside hotels for passengers.
    They had extra long saddles ( made locally) to take the driver and 2 passengers
    We visited all the frame shops - all 5 of them.
    Fascinating
    Only one mat cutter in the whole country - a Logan, which he bought in Thailand, but it wasn't used
    The framer told me it doesn't work.
    So I said show me.... and cut a perfect mat for him. He was blown away
    He asked me why I put a second mat under the first.
    I explained why it needs a slip mat.
    In fairness to Logan it did have a label saying" Always use a slip mat"
    But he didn't speak English, so the label looked to him like this 삼성 갤럭시 스마트폰에서 보냈습니다.
    The world's picture framing industry has given me a wonderful life, and many amazing experiences.
     

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  11. Ylva

    Ylva SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Hiep, sorry this happened to you.

    My first framing rule: don't drymount or do anything permanent to a piece you cannot replace.

    That includes limited edition prints, hard to find prints, all original art even, maybe especially, when kid's art. So when something comes into my shop, my first thought is just that. Would I be able to replace it?
     
  12. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    Which translates to "Samsung Galaxy sent from your smartphone."
     
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  13. Keith L Hewitt

    Keith L Hewitt MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Hi Larry

    그래, 나는 그것이 무엇을 말하는지 안다. 나는 단지 당신이 아시아 인이고 내게 영어를 쓰는 것을 보았을 때 중국어 / 한국어 또는 일본어가 혼란스럽게 보일 정도로 아시아의 일부 스크립트를 복사해서 붙이기 만하면되었다. 서쪽 나라 사람. 나는 "슬립 매트를 항상 사용하십시오."라고 번역하는 데 어려움을 겪어야 했습니까?

    :D
     
  14. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    :):)
     
  15. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Try saying that with a mouthful of rhubarb. :confused:

    'O' < piggy.

    ('v') < owl.
     
  16. Keith L Hewitt

    Keith L Hewitt MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Peter ( aka Prospero ) it took me ages to type all that Korean script. :eek:
    No it didn't:)
    3 secs on Google translate <<<< a very useful site.

    I am doing business in Korea. Received an email where a copy had gone to the CEO, with a line of Korean script at the bottom.
    So I think, the sender has sent a private comment to the boss, in their language.
    So I use Google translate ....... and what did it say ?

    "Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smart phone "
    :rolleyes:

    And the picture shows an innovative Korean framer who has built his own vertical cutter.
     

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