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Minipoll: BUSH OR KERRY ?

Minipoll: BUSH OR KERRY ?


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Maryann

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
It's a dead heat at this point.(Kerry 3 - Bush 3)
I demand a recount!

No matter who your choice is - get out and vote in two weeks.
 

Dermot

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
This article from the “Sunday Times” last Sunday was not enough to change my mind…..but it gave me food for thought…..a well written and balanced article….please read the whole article…it is in my view one of the best and most balanced articles I have seen about the up coming election….though you do have to bear in mind that the “Sunday Times” is owned by Rupert Murdoch………never the less this article is well written
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I'm a Democrat for Bush
Sarah Baxter is a life-long Labour voter in Britain and a registered Democrat in the United States. So how come she wants George W Bush to remain president?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1312869,00.html
 

Dancinbaer

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I decided to take this pole a little more serious so I voted for one of the two real canidates, but Micky Mouse was very tempting considering the choices.
 

Bill Henry-

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Sarah Baxter is a life-long Labour voter in Britain and a registered Democrat in the United States.
<font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv">Neat trick! How does she get away with voting in two countries?
 

Dermot

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Originally posted by Bill Henry:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /><font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv"> Sarah Baxter is a life-long Labour voter in Britain and a registered Democrat in the United States.
<font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv">Neat trick! How does she get away with voting in two countries? </font>[/QUOTE]<font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv">Bill I asked for the article to be read in full………… the the answer is in there…………….. and yes Bill it is possible to vote in two countries……. one of my daughters can vote in Ireland and the US
 

framah

PFG, Picture Framing God
Actually. What she says is that she is voting in the US for the first time. My father had dual citizenship in the US and Canada. If he decided to vote in one country, he automatically lost his citizenship in the other country. As far as I know that is how it is. It would be interesting to find out if the laws have changed.
 

framah

PFG, Picture Framing God
Here is what I found about this.

Losing citizenship

Voting in a foreign election, serving in a foreign army, or swearing allegiance to a foreign government used to be automatic grounds for losing U.S. citizenship. But a 5-4 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1967 made it all but impossible for someone to lose U.S. citizenship unless he or she wants to give it up.

The case involved a naturalized American citizen originally from Poland, who moved to Israel in 1950. Beys Afroyim tried to get his U.S. passport renewed in 1960, but the State Department turned him down. Afroyim had voted in Israeli elections, which meant he had automatically lost his U.S. citizenship, the department said.

The Supreme Court said the 14th Amendment effectively elevated citizenship to a constitutional right and ruled that it can be lost only if renounced.


Too bad my Father didn't know this before he died. He opted not to vote so he could retain his dual citizenship.

Now we know how she can vote in both places.

Personally, I don't think it's right. Pick a country and if you claim it as your primary residence then you can vote there. You shouldn't be able to vote in both places.
 

Jim Miller

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Originally posted by framah:
... Now we know how she can vote in both places. Personally, I don't think it's right. Pick a country and if you claim it as your primary residence then you can vote there. You shouldn't be able to vote in both places.
<font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv">Certainly, it would be wrong for a voter to cast ballots in multiple locations, in the same election within the same country, but why limit voting to only one country?

It seems to me that if a person has strong personal or business relationships in two countries, and wishes to participate in the process of selecting the leaders that affect the way of life in both, why not? Even on a large scale, which is not likely, could that somehow taint the election results in either country?

It isn't as though a stranger could just wander in and vote here. We have to qualify for voter registration.

Personally, I think that a responsible voter with ties outside the USA would be preferable to a US-born voter without a clue...and we have plenty of those.

Isn't it interesting that the results of this poll are similar to those of concurrent "real" polls?

It might be interesting to put up a new poll each week until the election, just to see if the results change.
 

Rogatory

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
It isn't as though a stranger could just wander in and vote here. We have to qualify for voter registration.
<font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv">A news report last week anounced that a couple of the 911 suicide bombers were registered voters. I don't know if thats true but it wouldn't surprise me.
 

Emibub

PFG, Picture Framing God
My vote goes with Kerry although, at this stage in the game I don't think he is going to win. I imagine with a race this close the incumbent will prevail. I am disheartened and disillusioned, a few months ago I thought it would be a landslide to get that man out of office and us out of harms way. Guess not.

Oh well, they say a Republican in office is better for small business's. Hard to prove that theory with this administration. Just trying to find some solace.
 

JudyN

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
Oh well, they say a Republican in office is better for small business's. Hard to prove that theory with this administration.
<font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv">WHO MANAGES THE ECONOMY BETTER REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS?
Arthur I. Blaustein

A businessman who voted for Bush four years ago, and Clinton in ’96, told me, “John Kerry
sounds really impressive and I have to admit that the goals of his social programs particularly
health care, education and the environment seem good. But I’m worried the Democrats can’t
manage the economy as well and they’ll get into my wallet.”
Many voters agree, and a recent poll shows that the majority cites the economy as their top
concern. For years the pollsters have found that most voters believe the Republicans do better
with the economy. I’ve heard the businessman’s basic point that the Democrats have better
social policies but the Republicans are better managers of the economy more often than I’ve
heard Judy Garland sing “Over the Rainbow.” But is it true?
Let’s look to the record. Here’s the Economic Sweepstakes Quiz. The rules are simple. Guess
which president since World War II did best on these eight most generally accepted measures
of good management of the nation’s economy. You can choose among six Republicans:
Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bushes I and II; and five Democrats: Truman, Kennedy,
Johnson, Carter, and Clinton. (No peeking.)
Which president produced:
1. The highest growth in the gross domestic product?
2. The highest growth in jobs?
3. The biggest increase in personal disposable income after taxes?
4. The highest growth in industrial production?
5. The highest growth in hourly wages?
6. The lowest Misery Index (inflation plus unemployment)?
7. The lowest inflation?
8. The largest reduction in the deficit?


The answers are: 1. Harry Truman, 2. Bill Clinton, 3. Lyndon Johnson, 4. John F. Kennedy,
5. Johnson, 6. Truman, 7. Truman, 8. Clinton.
 

Dermot

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I not saying that my daughter can vote in both countries at the “same time” though she can vote in the country she is officially resident in at the time of the election….official in this case I’m almost certain is the country where you declare yourself for taxation, social welfare, etc.

BTW my daughter Katey is Irish born and has dual citizenship her mum (RIP) was a US Citizen and Katey spent most of her life in the US….though she now lives in Ireland…

I know that when they aligned countries around the world for taxation and pensions that most countries had to readjust there voting regulations…..but in saying that we have Irish born children who will not be able to vote in Ireland but they will be able to vote in every other EU country, this is because of a botched in my view change to our immigration laws….
 

gemsmom

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
No matter who wins, with the election this close, half the country will be celebrating, and the other half will be complaining for the next four years.
 

Bob Carter

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I almost wish Kerry would win so I wouldn't have to hear Jesse Jackson talk about disenfranchised voters. When will that guy ever get a real job
 

MerpsMom

<span style="color: red"><b><i>Charter Member</i><
He believes he has one. The saddest thing about him is that at one time, he had the potential to make great changes. He talked and walked. He fell flat because he succumbed to the temptations of power and influence as do so many politicians.

Leadership failed and his is a huge failure.
 

The King

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Ah, but has anyone ever heard Jesse Jackson reading "Green Eggs and Ham" on The Muppet Show?

That was true greatness.
 

Mark Rogers

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
2. The highest growth in jobs?
8. The largest reduction in the deficit?
<font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv">Did Clinton achive this because he had a clue about running the ecomony? Hardly! This occured because the house and senate were Republican which gave us gridlock. Clinton just stayed in office playing with Monica and let the country do its own thing.

I think Kerry is a traitor, but he will give us gridlock which is best. In the case of the federal government, the cure is almost always worse than the symptom. Even when it is not, the other 1000 pages of pork in the bill will just run up the deficit.
 

The King

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
For anyone who is truly undecided (and I'm guessing Mark isn't among them :D ) the current issue of Reader's Digest gives a very clear comparison of the two (and, yes, I know there are more than two) candidates' stands on key issues.

If you're undecided after reading that, then maybe you SHOULDN'T vote . . . or drive a car . . . or operate machinery . . . or procreate . . . or . . .
 

wpfay

Angry Badger
The photo in this mornings paper of Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rep. Corrine Brown was classic. They were in a meeting with the newly appointed supervisor of elections for Duval county. The previous supervisor had to quit due to health concerns (the poor guy probably was stressed out from the brow beating he has gotten over the past 4 years).
I don't believe either of them were interested in offering any constructive opinion. They were there just to menace the new supervisor. You might be able to get the photo on line from the Florida Times-Union web site...it is worth those thousand words.
 

Walt C

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
I love Frankenthreading.

Keeps me on my toes.
 

CharlesL

PFG, Picture Framing God
Mike, I'm closing this thread as well. Not because you started it, but because it's gotten to be more of a dissertation on party politics than an actual poll, which I thought (the poll) was a good idea to begin with.

Please let me know if you would like to have it moved, or reopened.
Charles, moderator on the **** list as of about 30 minutes ago.
 
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