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new ways of storing photos?????


SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
My post to Ron on another subject, the latest articles about how to handle digital photos and other random meditations led me to a question: how many of us store tons of photos "electronically?" Like on our computer harddrives, then transfer to a PDA?

I know in my PDA right now, with 64 meg of memory, I can load tons of high quality photos; ditto on an 80 gig harddrive comuter. And as far as I know they're there to stay--no fade, no aging, no nuttin.

And since my PDA is usually always with me, I have kiddies, cars, harleys, boats, mistresses ;) etc. to show everyone. And those photos I don't want public--like mistresses ;) --I can hide by a "private" feature.

Am I nuts, or are other people doing "albums" like this? PLUS, I canburn a CD wiht the photos and give them to friends and family and they can load on their computers.

Is this a new concept? I mean, no framing, no picture albums gathering dust-just everything stored in some electronic device?

Ok maybe I'm nuts. Tell me this is off the wall, or am I on to something :D
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SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I think it's becoming more popular - even with the risk of losing it all when something crashes. Too many people don't burn the disk; they just save to the HD.

I shoot lots of digital photos and rarely save to the hard drive - just a CD for archiving. Don't have the need for lots of pictures permanently on the PC or in an album. I just print and frame what I want to see, and put everything else on CD.


SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
But don't think the CD will last forever ;) . This is a whole new and growing field for archival conservators, and a booming industry for information technology types.

CD's are expected to last about 10 years without any loss of information. And don't forget the machines that read them - you will keep needing to reformat, as the machinery changes.

Makes silver gelatin look good doesn't it?


Frank Larson

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
The problem with storing your photos and such on electronic media is how fast the various storage formats are becoming obsolete. I have things stored on floppies and I don't even have a floppy drive anymore. In a few years you may not be able to access your CD's when something faster and smaller becomes popular and your CD player crashes. In fact it has become a real problem with large businesses and government documents and such. They put their archives on tape or large discs and the drives are breaking down and no longer available. To download them onto other media would take longer than the other media will be around.
There is a real fear out there that we will have no records surviving from this period. Our history will just melt away.

I suggest that archival hard copies of your more important photos and documents would be prudent.

The King

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
One of the reasons I switched to the Sony Clie' is because of the high resolution graphics. With a 128 meg memory card, I can carry lots of snapshots in a pack the size of my wallet and bore anyone to death with a little portable slide show.

I wouldn't trust it as the primary means of storage, though.


SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

You are onto a new technology that makes most everybody into a photographer. Portrait and wedding type photographers must feel very uncertain about their future, and for good reason so for, in my opinion, regular photography is in its way out, digital photography is in and just highly specialized commercial photographers will manage to make it in digital photo era.

I agree with you that photo albums is a not the way to keep tons of personal or acquired (digital) pictures as those all of us will soon posses. But photo frames in general are out of danger zone simply because they are not related to producing and storing pictures, but to people's need to decorate and embellish their environment.
Just few peoples are so fond of displaying photos and posters as Americans are. Yet, the day I’ll read in here a topic like “this picture took me two bucks and ten minutes to make it, why is it the frame so expensive?” is just around the corner. Digital photography might spell good news for cheap, industrially made photo-frame providers. Let’s only hope that new age photographers will get into the habit of cropping their images as a way to enhance their expressivity. If I were custom framer, instead of digital photo bashing, I would encourage my clients to become proficient, original and artistically expressive in their photographic exploits for there is a vanity market to tap in.

stud d

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I just got a Palm Tungsten E, I am doing ok with the light stuff. I have put several of my photos on it. I am a fine art photographer, so this is like a small portfolio. It is a way to say oh my work? Well this is what it is like...I did not think of it until after I got it. I think I shall put a few paintings on there sooner or later.

I would never get rid of a real portfolio, this is just a glimpse.


Larry Peterson

PFG, Picture Framing God
As an ex-programmer, I have been archiving my personal PC files since I first started with PCs in the early 80s. My personal archives (currently about 500 meg) have grown over the years and moved around on many medi (plural of media??). They have gone from 5.25" floppies to 3.5" floppies to to tape drives, sysquest drives, zip drives, jazz drives, CDs, portable hard drives and more. My archives are reviewed periodically and a CD is burned occasionally and put away. The current archive is also stored on my network and on a portable firewire connected hard drive.

Media archival storage types will evolve over time and if the user recognizes that they have to update the archival device periodically as technology evolves then they should be able to sustain their archives forever. Just don't forget to update the storage mediuum before it is too obsolete to connect with the new one. Somewhere, in some box, I have a 5.25" disk drive awaiting the day I run across an old floppy that I need to read.

One of the keys for me is to keep the archive in two (actually for me - 3 places) places. I keep it on a current hard drive (and firewire hard drive) for access and updating and burn a CD periodically. I also keep two levels of archives. The second, or bottom level, is that stuff that I may eventually delete but am not quite ready to (OK, I'm a pack rat) just yet. I review and move things from my top level archive to the bottom level archive a couple of times a year.

The biggest key for me is how my data is organized. I never let a program decide where my data is kept. All my data is kept in one folder with sub-folders based on type (docs, spreadsheets, images, accounting, taxes, code, mail, etc). My archives are organized in the same manner. Managing, finding, archiving, etc is much easier this way.

I recently needed, looked for, and found come code that I wrote in the middle 80s. Having only a vague remberance of what I was looking for, I found something that I hadn't used in over a decade in just a few minutes.


MGF, Master Grumble Framer
Yup, electronic storage is great as long as it's organized, and Ron is again right: store all those pictures in your little miniscreen so you can bore your friends with the snapshots!

Reminds me of sittin around the living room with the slide projector showing off the summer vacation.

Just remember to keep those files big enough so you can get a respectable print when you want to stick something in a frame. Although I still love my film, digital will continue to grow because it is fast and convenient. Poor consumers just aren't being told, though, that that floppy disc with 60 images on it ain't going to give them a picture worth hanging on the wall.


SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
There are different qualities of cd's out there. We are currently storing all our digital photo files from our studio on gold metallic cd's we by in bulk. They last longer than some of the cheaper options which can actully start flaking after a few months. I wouldn't store much on a hard drive of any type. I've had several crash.

Many professionals in the portrati and wedding market are switching over to digital capture and manipulation of their images. We can show our customers their images quicker (instantly if need be) and do so much more to the final image. We have actually seen our orders and our profitablity go up since we made the switch. Our lab now prints direct from our files to traditional photographic paper.


MGF, Master Grumble Framer
The higher quality gold cds are definately the way to go. I hope we can read them 10 years from now. We do a good business making prints from very old negatives. It would be sad if the family photographic history gets lost because the digits can't be read in the future.
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