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Oversize Glazing Multipliers

Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by shayla, Jan 30, 2019.

  1. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    For oversize jobs, do you use a certain multiplier for pricing glass/acrylic?

    In the past, we just doubled wholesale on all acrylic, but now are wondering if we should do more.
    Especially with oversize Museum acrylic, though, that number is already so high, just doubling it.
    Right now, giving a quote on a 47 x 65, and pondering.
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  2. cvm

    cvm PFG, Picture Framing God

    Sometimes $ makes more sense than %.
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  3. artfolio

    artfolio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I always marked up any specially bought in materials by at least 100% on the basis that if I had a mishap and had to replace them at least it wouldn't put the job into loss territory. For oversized jobs I also added an extra hour or two of labour costs but often underestimated this one. It is worth remembering that, as a solo operator, a big job often put me behind with other work which led to "overtime" to catch up.
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  4. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Words of wisdom, there. One value of working when we're closed is that (sometimes) a fitting can be done without interruption. In our small, multi-use fitting area, I have found that some fittings I imagined taking an hour, actually took two or more. Especially when it's so big that it needs two people. I also add time for any rearranging we have to do.

    On big projects, I always wonder where the tipping point is between regular thickness glazing being okay (i.e. conservation clear at .118"), and when it needs to be thicker. Seems like something 47 x 65 could be a bit wow-y, even with a sturdy frame
    and enough rabbet width. Unless we truck something in, that leaves either thicker Museum acrylic, (up for which customers don't always want to pony), or thicker regular acrylic.
  5. Al B

    Al B CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I think doubling it is fine on a piece this big. The cost would be so high on a piece this size if you did more than doubling it.
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  6. FramerCat

    FramerCat SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I'd go at least 2.5 times. That way I'm still making money on it even if I mess up the first piece. If somebody's buying over-sized museum acrylic I wouldn't be too concerned about not making the sale based on price. If they are determined to have quality the price isn't going to deter them.

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  7. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Same with moulding. When you get over a certain size (about 4' x 3') the amount of moulding you consume can be
    alarming. Recently did a frame 8' x 6' which involved 5 stacked mouldings. It measured about 28' around the outside
    but in practice you use up 40' minimum of each moulding if you are lucky.

    There is a moulding I use a lot of which is just a 1" bevelled liner. I use it for in biggish frames and also quite small ones.
    If I employ a bit of thought when cutting (start a new length rather than be left with a 6" offcut), the wasteage is next to zero.
    If I cut up say, 300ft I would probably have about 2' in the bin.

    When it comes to expensive glazing it is wise to factor in a potential catastrophe cost. Cut a piece of Museum glass and crack it and
    you have effectively wiped out any profit if you markup x2. Don't think it will never happen. :confused:

    If you crack a sheet of std 2mm float (4x3) it isn't a major disaster. Crack a sheet of Museum the next size up and you are paying the customer.

    I sometimes think that when it comes to cutting Museum glass you should charge for mental stress. o_O
  8. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    In my first year of framing, (1992) I did just that. Put a 40 x 60 of (evil) Image Perfect glass in our cutter, forgetting to rest it flush to the cutter back. When I went to make the cut, the pressure broke the whole sheet.
    I'm so thankful that my boss didn't get mad. He told me, 'Go ahead and make mistakes! I'm not going to get mad at you. I'd rather you make some mistakes, and learn how to do it.' He and his wife are still dear friends, and it showed me what kind of boss to be.
  9. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Very True saying: "You gotta pay to learn". ;)
  10. TurnerAssociatesdy

    TurnerAssociatesdy CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I tend to agree about 2.5 times. Working at a shop in DC, we were working with a floater that was hand gilded from a place in NY. Everything was special order as the frame was about 7 x 13 feet long. Thankfully, it wasn't mine, this time. Anyway, we had to pay to have two legs remade, rushed, and freighted out again. Those two legs made us take a loss. We had a sliding scale when marking up items. That is fine, however, make sure the sliding scale covers your butt on those pricey jobs.

    With the mistake, it set into motion several issues. We now had to join the frame by hand on the floor of an embassy. My boss had to pay me extra to work. She was a good person, she took it all in stride. That was one lesson I tried to pass onto my customers. Not fun to be in that position.
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