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PPFA revamps Find-A-Picture-Framer website

John Ranes II CPF GCF

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
blackiris said:
...Do you have to be a CPF or MCPF to be a part of the PPFA?

Is it the PPFA's view that someone that hasn't gotten those creditials... less of a framer?

Your comment about GETTING MORE CUSTOMERS..... proves it right there. You know exactly what I'm talking about now. You would rather a customer go to another framer...
Nic,

...and to those that desire to see the flaws in this effort to promote our industry and the Find-A-Picture-Framer PPFA Page, I invite you to examine that page once again and recognize that it is nothing more than your fellow retail members attempting to help the Association by providing MORE information than the previous Advanced PPFA Search was providing.

Look at it and indeed you will see a hyperlinked image window explaining the CPF and MCPF programs to the potential consumer visiting this page. This is only one of four window image links - Likewise one inspires potential consumers with faming examples. A third Displays additional framing ideas, while the fourth helps customers understand about what the PPFA as a trade association is all about.

I totally would agree with you if the Certification promotion was out of proportion to the other information being shared, but I honestly do not see that in this case.

I also agree with you in that any credentials should be displayed following a persons name and that this should follow the business name. The information should be presented to the consumer in the search results by ZIP code numerical order (as it is now) or by Geographical distance (as it hopefully will be improved) with no regards to certificed member getting top billing (which it does not).

Should any reference to the certifcation program be eliminated on this page and in the search results? Absolutely NOT. The goal of this page is to assist potential consummers in finding out where to find the best framers conveient to there locale. (Please notice that framers are not listed by who has the best prices! Hence I need to share a story with you....)

John Ranes II said:
Long before the Internet, this forum, the PPFA Framer's Corner and online search directories, we would sometimes get a good customer who would move away from our community. They would sometimes ask, I'm moving to Small Town, West Coast City, Blah Blah and I want to find a good framer (like you) to take care of us in this new community. Can you recommend someone? How do I find a good reliable framer?...

I would answer this by advising that when they find a framer in their new town, that they look for three things...
  • When you walk into the shop, are the floors clean? are the window sills clean? Are the counters clean and organized? KEY=A framer who takes care of those little details will probably take good care of your artwork.
  • Do they belong to the PPFA (Look at the door for a sticker)? KEY=If they care enough to join this typically means that they care about the overall direction that the industry is going and they want their business to be part of that.
  • Is the owner or key framer a CPF? KEY=This typically indicates that they care about their own knowledge and keeping abreast within the industry.
Does this mean that there are not other good framers in town that are perhaps not certified?...Sure there are!

Are there some excellent framers that don't belong to PPFA? Indeed they exist.

What it does mean is that if all three conditions are met, the odds are better than not that I have placed that old customer of mine into good hands.

So bottom line - Framers with credentials should be listed. All members should be listed with equal representation.

Artrageous said:
...Although joining the PPFA seems like entrance into this group, without continuing education and credential certification you are not much better to them then those who don't join.

Elitists are what they are...
Mark,

No... Framers with Passion and dedication is how I might describe some of these folks.

John
 

Jim Miller

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Apparently you haven't read what I've said on the other CPF exam threads. Or maybe the PPFA hasn't forwarded everyone my comments on the test? :shrug:
I'm sure the Certification Board members have received and considered your comments, among others. PPFA would not send that sort of information to anyone else. Have you followed up with the Cert. Board?

...you guys are soooo one sided with the PPFA you are blind to any kind of change or question to your actions. And get all definsive when people quesiton it.
One sided? Blind to change? Not so. There have been many changes to the CPF exams over the years, but the changes do not happen on open forums like this. If you want to change the CPF exam, you can volunteer for the Certification Board and campaign for your ideas within that group. Go ahead, join the team and make it better.
 

John Ranes II CPF GCF

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Re: Understanding volunteers and Credentials...

blackiris said:
....What I find rather funny is that its like politics.. you guys are soooo one sided with the PPFA you are blind to any kind of change or question to your actions. And get all definsive when people quesiton it.
Nic,

Not true at all... The committee of volunteers that report to Mary Fender, Chairperson for the Consumer Awareness Committee have been communicating on a private forum talking about this site/page for many months. Several members have commented on making some of the changes that you are suggesting.

blackiris said:
...I joined to PPFA to be with collegues and to share ideas and to kick ### in the framing competition. Not to be judged about having ####ing letters after my name.
I don't think anyone has judged any other framer including yourself about the number of letters after your name. As human beings, we typically make our judgements about other folks on their actions and behavior. My manager of 21 years has no letters after her name and I would put her up against almost any framer in the world. Our business would not be where it is without her.

If she came to me and said she would like to obtain her CPF, I would be thrilled and would help her in anyway I could. If she passed I would congratulate her. If she failed, I would console her....and move on. In no way would it impact her ability to frame and take care of our customers as she does every day. She has my respect due to her skills and not any letters.

If I meet a framer with credentials, I will show respect of course, but at the end of the day it is what they do and say that tells me more about who they are.

John
 

Larry Peterson

PFG, Picture Framing God
I agree with Nic and the others that the search listing discriminate against those framers that do not have certification.

It's one thing to push certification on the site like it is on the home page but it has no business on the search page. Those three paragraphs on certification should be removed from the search page as well as highlighting those who have certification.

If they are going to discriminate against non-certified framers then those framers shouldn't have to pay the same dues.

And to me it is blatant discrimination. By putting those three paragraphs at the top the PPFA is implicitly saying people should ignore non-certified framers.

Being semi-retired I could never justify the PPFA dues. I'm glad now that I am not a member. If I was, I would probably cancel my membership if this isn't resolved properly.
 

Pat Murphey

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
So an innocent customer that goes to Find-a-Picture-Framer and sees those three paragraphs implying that those who are not certified (members of PPFA, BTW) should be avoided if those who are certified are available. How in the world does that serve all members? Do non-certified members get to pay lower dues because your website steers customers away from them. Think about it.
 

Larry Peterson

PFG, Picture Framing God
BTW, it would be pretty easy to validate Nic's (and others) feelings.

Just find 10 or so people who have nothing to do with framing and ask them to read a page of search results with both types of framers and ask them which they would choose for their framing.

Will the results surprise anyone?
 

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I'm sure the Certification Board members have received and considered your comments, among others. PPFA would not send that sort of information to anyone else. Have you followed up with the Cert. Board?

One sided? Blind to change? Not so. There have been many changes to the CPF exams over the years, but the changes do not happen on open forums like this. If you want to change the CPF exam, you can volunteer for the Certification Board and campaign for your ideas within that group. Go ahead, join the team and make it better.
I offered when I spoke with Elaine on the phone.

Nic,

Look at it and indeed you will see a hyperlinked image window explaining the CPF and MCPF programs to the potential consumer visiting this page. This is only one of four window image links - Likewise one inspires potential consumers with faming examples. A third Displays additional framing ideas, while the fourth helps customers understand about what the PPFA as a trade association is all about.
You type in your zip code. When it goes to the next screen......... the FIRST 3 paragraphs..... BEFORE YOU EVEN look at a shop name............. What does it say????
I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall.

Would this would be hard to change?
I don't know anything about website editing.
Does the PPFA not have access to change this but they can add different shops and update that list?
 

Larry Peterson

PFG, Picture Framing God
Would this would be hard to change?
It would take the site's programmer about 5 minutes to delete those paragraphs.

Edit. Per the site, it appears our own troyveluz is the site's designer.


 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
So an innocent customer that goes to Find-a-Picture-Framer and sees those three paragraphs implying that those who are not certified (members of PPFA, BTW) should be avoided if those who are certified are available. How in the world does that serve all members? Do non-certified members get to pay lower dues because your website steers customers away from them. Think about it.
It does not ANYWHERE imply that they should be avoided. It does tout a certification process that it operates that is all. Is it necessary to have it in the search results, probably not. Seeing that the majority of members are not certified with a CPF or MCPF the search results should not make such a huge distinction IMO, I would like to see each listing the same, but those with certification should still include it and maybe a link to what it means. The PPFA wants to promote all members and I believe this thread will help.
 

mikki

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
Glad I read this and checked again because I did not have a link to my web page so thanks for the thread..... NOW...

Personally I want my letters to show up bigger, better more colorful...sure! Make the glitter and move and dance if you want to.

Why because I sweat it out on both of those tests. I have some memory issues so taking a 4 hour test terrified me!
I studied for months, I read the mounting book three times because it was not what I had been taught so therefor it was not in the other part of my memory that still works great.

I also learned from reading the textiles book, ( I don't remember the name), that if I could start all over again I would be a textile conservator because I found it fascinating and I have always been a fabric and thread hound.


I now know what a Newton Ring is, did not have a desire to have that thing named but now I know it.

Taking the MCPF was a follow through for me. I finished the education and NO BODY is going to make me feel anything but proud as h### of that. I did not, have not finished a college degree but by George I finished this course of study and I will proudly tell you I did it!!

So yeah I think since it is the PPFA's find a framer site and CPF/MCPF is the highest testing for PPFA then it should carry some weight.
 

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
SO pretty much pick the framer with the letters behind their name.
 

stcstc

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
So yeah I think since it is the PPFA's find a framer site and CPF/MCPF is the highest testing for PPFA then it should carry some weight.
its a brilliant achivement, and NOONE is suggesting otherwise

the issue is more the fact that you pay the same dues as another certified member, why should you get better advertising. using money from BOTH your dues to pay for it

thats NOT on period
 

Artrageous

PFG, Picture Framing God
So yeah I think since it is the PPFA's find a framer site and CPF/MCPF is the highest testing for PPFA then it should carry some weight.

Not on a search page that is charging folks to be included yet giving preferential treatment to some based on credentials and not fees.

Make a secondary search page that lists all those with crendentials first, with large colorful fonts full of glitter that move and dance.

The higher your credentials the higher your placement on the list.
 

j Paul

PFG, Picture Framing God
It does not ANYWHERE imply that they should be avoided. It does tout a certification process that it operates that is all. Is it necessary to have it in the search results, probably not. Seeing that the majority of members are not certified with a CPF or MCPF the search results should not make such a huge distinction IMO, I would like to see each listing the same, but those with certification should still include it and maybe a link to what it means. The PPFA wants to promote all members and I believe this thread will help.

I have to agree. I am one of those non-paid volunteers but I most likely will never take the test and go for certification. I must be one of only two PPFA members in my area according to find a framer. I know I am the only framer from my area that attends any meetings.
 

John Ranes II CPF GCF

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Larry Peterson said:
...And to me it is blatant discrimination. By putting those three paragraphs at the top the PPFA is implicitly saying people should ignore non-certified framers...
Larry...You should be a member, but that's another conversation. :D

I agree with you that on the Results Page, the promotion of the certification program is too blatant - I think it should be removed.


RParrish said:
...It does tout a certification process that it operates that is all. Is it necessary to have it in the search results, probably not...
Randy,

I tend to agree with you and will make this known in our committee discussions. I guess that some of the postings on this thread were not clear in that they found offense with the three descriptions on the RESULTS Page and not the Certification Explanation on the Find-A-Picture-Framer Page.

RParrish said:
...I would like to see each listing the same, but those with certification should still include it and maybe a link to what it means. The PPFA wants to promote all members and I believe this thread will help.
I agree with you on this point. The credentials behind an individuals name need to stay. People have earned these and they should be included in THEIR indivdual listing.


John
 

mbboston

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
The PPFA wants to promote all members and I believe this thread will help.
Randy,

There are shops listed two or three times in the search depending on how many CPF/MCPF they have. Each CPF/MCPF framer has an individual listing with shop info which follows.

-CPF/MCPF are listed by first and last name

-All others by shop name

It doesn't make sense.



Here is an example one more time, the shop has three listings:

 

Jim Miller

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
SO pretty much pick the framer with the letters behind their name.
Framers who have earned them would love that, but many framers have thought about earning the credentials and decided not to, because "the letters behind their name" mean nothing to customers.

If certification didn't matter before this thread, why does it matter now?
 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
Not on a search page that is charging folks to be included yet giving preferential treatment to some based on credentials and not fees.

Make a secondary search page that lists all those with crendentials first, with large colorful fonts full of glitter that move and dance.

The higher your credentials the higher your placement on the list.
First of all Mark it helps if you know the facts, one it does not give a higher listing to shops with credentials, that is old and out dated information.

The PPFA does not charge specifically ANYTHING have a higher listing, the listing are essentially a free benefit.

This kind of rhetoric only adds misinformation.
 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
Randy,

There are shops listed two or three times in the search depending on how many CPF/MCPF they have. Each CPF/MCPF framer has an individual listing with shop info which follows.

-CPF/MCPF are listed by first and last name

-All others by shop name

It doesn't make sense.



Here is an example one more time, the shop has three listings:

I would assume and anyone who knows more can correct me, but all three of the people listed are members
and as you see taken the CPF exam. If they are all members why should that be a problem?

If my shop went out of business and I was hired somewhere else, I could change my listing, while the shop might not be a members I would still be a member and the shops address would then become my contact info if I chose to change it.
 

mikki

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
Yes! I want them to pick my shop.

That is why I spend x advertising dollars, pay for Constant Contact, give to charity functions I have no affinity for....so that THEY (ALL OF THEM) will come to MY SHOP not the one down the street.

AND we did pay more to get the letters! Twice if we have an "M" in front!
 

John Ranes II CPF GCF

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Re: Multiple listings...

mbboston said:
...There are shops listed two or three times in the search depending on how many CPF/MCPF they have. Each CPF/MCPF framer has an individual listing with shop info which follows.

Here is an example one more time, the shop has three listings...
Mira,

Give the committee and staff (very small) time to sort those database issues out.

In truth, your example indicated two addresses, and this member may be paying for two locations - that option exists in membership dues. The other may simply be a database issue.

John
 

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I tend to agree with you and will make this known in our committee discussions. I guess that some of the postings on this thread were not clear in that they found offense with the three descriptions on the RESULTS Page and not the Certification Explanation on the Find-A-Picture-Framer Page.
John

I'm not happy with seaching for my store an having the first thing seen about being a CPf or MCPF......font being bigger than my shop name and number.

Some of us have issues with the testing .... And I'd rather not give the general public false info that a CpF means you are better than one shop or another.
When I search by my zip code... only my shop shows up...UNDER
What a CPF is.. What an MCPF is and some other something or other.
Apparently you are missing my point. If the average everyday person is looking to have say a family heirloom piece framed... and searches online to find THIS SITE.........
Then reads the about what a CPF and MCPF can do for you.......
And theirs 2 shops.... 1 with and 1 without...........

Am I connecting the dots for everyone? :shrug:
How hard is it to MOVE it to another page, and let the customer decide where they want to take it?
You type in your zip code. When it goes to the next screen......... the FIRST 3 paragraphs..... BEFORE YOU EVEN look at a shop name............. What does it say????
I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall.
Sorry I wasn't CLEAR enough!
 

Dave

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I just went back and reviewed the page and, the way it is constructed, if I was a PPFA member and not certified, I would ask for my name to be removed from the listing. It blatantly borders on warning potential clients NOT to go to a framer who is not certified.

"When searching for a custom frame shop, be sure to look for a Certified Picture Framer."

I just found out today that there are individual memberships available. The firm I work for has no desire to join PPFA but I could on my own. I've never had the desire to get certification, but the way things are presented on the page I would definitely NOT be a PPFA member without becoming certified. In my opinion, members that are not certified should either become certified or drop their membership. Seems that is what PPFA is trying to endorse too.
 

John Ranes II CPF GCF

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
So if a RESULTS page looked like this, would you be happy?


Find-A-Picture-Framer Results Page.jpg

You'll note that some members have certifcation listed. Some have links to their websites, and the results are returned in numerical zip code order. (Actually....Any zip code that matches the search is displayed first, while others within the mile radius are listed in numerical zip code order).


John
 

Dave

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
...

You'll note that some members have certifcation listed. Some have links to their websites, and the results are returned in numerical zip code order. (Actually....Any zip code that matches the search is displayed first, while others within the mile radius are listed in numerical zip code order).


John
Except the search engine doesn't work, John. I've tried three local zip codes and it appears there are no PPFA members this side of Colorado.

Try them:

46530
46601
49112

Actually 49112 does return one valid result and then another in Colorado.
 

Larry Peterson

PFG, Picture Framing God
So if a RESULTS page looked like this, would you be happy?


View attachment 18190

You'll note that some members have certifcation listed. Some have links to their websites, and the results are returned in numerical zip code order. (Actually....Any zip code that matches the search is displayed first, while others within the mile radius are listed in numerical zip code order).


John
Works for me.
 

John Ranes II CPF GCF

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Except the search engine doesn't work, John. I've tried three local zip codes and it appears there are no PPFA members this side of Colorado.

Try them: 46530, 46601, 49112 -- Actually 49112 does return one valid result and then another in Colorado.
Dave,

Actually I did try two of your Zip Codes and at 50 miles got those two results....but at 100 miles, all kinds of folks appeared on the radar screen! :thumbsup:

John
 

Artrageous

PFG, Picture Framing God
I just went back and reviewed the page and, the way it is constructed, if I was a PPFA member and not certified, I would ask for my name to be removed from the listing. It blatantly borders on warning potential clients NOT to go to a framer who is not certified.

"When searching for a custom frame shop, be sure to look for a Certified Picture Framer."

I just found out today that there are individual memberships available. The firm I work for has no desire to join PPFA but I could on my own. I've never had the desire to get certification, but the way things are presented on the page I would definitely NOT be a PPFA member without becoming certified. In my opinion, members that are not certified should either become certified or drop their membership. Seems that is what PPFA is trying to endorse too.
The PPFA in general (not anyone in particular) is alienating the very people it needs to expand their membership.

That is unless the PPFA wishes to remain an "old boys' club"... because that's what it is perceived to be to a non member like me. The benefits of joining/paying dues to be treated like a second class member just doesn't seem that appealing.
 

Dave

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
MM-mm ... well I know one local framer who has a MCPF on staff but maybe they are not a PPFA member?

There are at least 20 local framers within 30 miles. Hard to believe that no one is a PPFA member but it could be so.
 

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
So if a RESULTS page looked like this, would you be happy?


View attachment 18190

You'll note that some members have certifcation listed. Some have links to their websites, and the results are returned in numerical zip code order. (Actually....Any zip code that matches the search is displayed first, while others within the mile radius are listed in numerical zip code order).


John
That's all I wanted. Thanks

Would Nick be able to add our facebook pages to the search results?
 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
The PPFA in general (not anyone in particular) is alienating the very people it needs to expand their membership.

That is unless the PPFA wishes to remain an "old boys' club"... because that's what it is perceived to be to a non member like me. The benefits of joining/paying dues to be treated like a second class member just doesn't seem that appealing.
Look you act as if that is by some grand design, it is not, nobody wants a "old boys club" and the mentality that goes with it. The fact is somewhere along the line information was added and no one thought twice about it, or they thought it would be good to include with all the best intentions and not the worst as assumed. The PPFA is a open fluid organisation responsive to its membership, while it may not be EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE, its what the picture frames around the globe have given into helping to promote framing.
 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
That's all I wanted. Thanks

Would Nick be able to add our facebook pages to the search results?
If you email Nick he can add that to your contact info.
 

Artrageous

PFG, Picture Framing God
Randy, I get it. You're passionate about being a PPFA member. I'm glad there are people like you involved in it. That's what will bring in new members.

The collective face of the PPFA doesn't convey that to me. Rather then being this quasi union nameplate organization with all these great people behind it, perhaps some of these people should become the face of the PPFA.
 

Cliff Wilson

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
If you email Nick he can add that to your contact info.
Have you done that Randy? I think there is only one field in the data record that would have to be either a website or a facebook page?
I am not sure.

It may not be as easy as you think.

Larry thinks we can just jump in and change things, but again, it may not be that easy. I tried to explain earlier that there is a "front end" that Troy and many others worked on, and there is a "backend" that is built on a proprietary database with proprietary code that we have to get consultants to touch. When you hit the search button you're into the "backend." This backend is called "labfinder" (as in photolab) it was built long before PPFA became part of PMA and is intertwined with the entire PMA db. Things like a PMA member that also frames gets "found" with PPFA searches.

I am working on trying to get to the bottom of what's possible and should know more by the end of the week. But, please don't jump to conclusions about how fast, or what we can do.

I promise not to obfuscate anything. (My personal opinion does not effect my recommendations on implementing what people want.) I will find out what's possible and try to understand cost, then will recommend the most cost effective way to implement what the "PPFA Consumer Awareness Committee" would like. There might have to be compromises, but things are being discussed.

Please understand that the backend isn't new. It's been that way for a while.
 

Mike Labbe

Member, Former moderator team volunteer
Have you done that Randy? I think there is only one field in the data record that would have to be either a website or a facebook page?
I am not sure.

It may not be as easy as you think.
While the member database doesn't have a field for Facebook, it could be put in her website field. (the Facebook page is a web link, after all) If memory serves, she has a Facebook social page, but not a company website. So it would be an ideal situation, if the request is sent to Nick.

There was some good content in this thread - and I'm sure some improvements are ahead. (the wheels are turning!) I wish people were so passionate about attending the local meetings! :)

This thread was about the new front end (before the search results or advanced page), which was the first phase of the project. I believe the committee is looking for some pictures to add to the site, and some blog content from chapters. Mary and the team of volunteers did a great job!

Mike
 

Cliff Wilson

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
While the member database doesn't have a field for Facebook, it could be put in her website field. (the Facebook page is a web link, after all) If memory services, she has a Facebook social page, but not a company website. So it would be an ideal situation.
I think that's what I said, you get one or the other.
 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
I think that's what I said, you get one or the other.
Right and Nicole does not have a website and for many who have Facebook pages they might rather have that listed than their web site.
 

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I sent Nick an email before I left the shop. I'll let you know what he says.
 

susang

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
If I was looking for a doctor, I would certainly check out the one that is Board Certified. From framing plenty of these certificates, I know their dedication and hard work for their specialty. They need to take the exam every so many years to show that they are capable. Are other doctors just as good? Maybe....can a Board Certified doctor mess up...yes. But as a patient, Board Certification means a lot to me. Just my thoughts.

When I put in the zip two miles down the road, plenty of non MCPF/CPF's come up before me that are miles and miles away. Even in a different state comes up first. I know that it will get fixed. The glitches will get worked out soon enough and I bet that the committee is getting the feedback that they needed.

Where does a consumer land when googling for a framer? I bet that a local search comes up first. So a smart framer would check their SEO and make sure that they are doing the best that they can on their own with their own websites and social media. This site is a great start but it won't save your shop, Certified or Non-Certified. You need to do that on your own with a savvy marketing program. If we get a few recommendations from the site--WONDERFUL, but I would be putting my own valuable energy into my own shop first.

Thanks to those on the committee for taking the initiative to get this done. You all have full time jobs and family and cared to volunteer your time. You are to be commended! :thumbsup:

Susan MCPF
 

Baer Charlton

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
nobody wants a "old boys club" and the mentality that goes with it.
Interesting.....

So here is the search results from my zip code



Hmmmm, well It's NOT alphabetical....... so what is it?

Well, #1 - David is a home based framer.... who is (it would seem) President for Life.

#2 - Sally Dallas is a..... home based sort of framer who gave up her shop a few years ago but is Chapter VP last time I heard. (also 30+ miles away)

#3 - Julia is Past President and runs the commercial framer (4 miles away)

#4 - Pearl is a Giclee printer with a tiny framing attached.. I didn't even know they knew what the PPFA was. (4.5 miles away)

#5 - Columbia is 15 miles away and is a chapter board member at large

and then finally #6 and number #1 listing in the phone book for 38 years. . . and 5 blocks away.
But then... nobody today cares about the past.
Shar took the first CPF test (I was sick)... and was standing second behind Vivian.
I took the second given
Combined we have more experience and expertise than pretty much the above combined.
Shar was on the original Chapter's board from day one and put in over 10 years
as President or Vice as they put on education meetings every MONTH.. as apposed to
something every other year maybe.....

But then... I'm talking about a completely different PPFA. In a place long ago and far far away......

BUT . . . I do see this as a great improvement.

Now if we could just have some independent audits as to how chapter money is being spent........
Or whether they are even members or even picture framers.....

And most of all..... some kind of real effort to separate us from this PPFA :fire:
 

FramerCat

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Interesting.....Hmmmm, well It's NOT alphabetical....... so what is it?
Someone was explaining to me earlier that it goes in numerical order based on zip code from top to bottom then left to right and in your case apparently the third to last is to appear first. I would think for the ease of the searcher that it would appear in a geographical order starting with closest and going to farthest away and being read from left to right before top to bottom but Cliff was explaining that there is some kind of proprietary issue that has to be resolved before it can be changed. As I am understanding it, it is only coincidence that the MCPFs and CPFs seem to be listed before the local framers in yours and my areas. I hope it is something that can be resolved. I am holding off judgement (and dues) until the next phase of the re-vamp.

Ed
 

Myrna

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
Hi Baer,

We would love to have you come to a wonderful event this Sunday the 23rd of June - A fabulous meeting with Jim Miller has been worked on tirelessly by the board of the Cascade Chapter PPFA. This is what your Cascade Chapter PPFA has been up to preparing for our industry during the last 6 months. Yes, David Greene is president and has been for a couple of terms - and works very hard for our Chapter. Yes, Julia is past president , but Donna Erwin is the Vice President. Our Chapter and PPFA will benefit from people like you supporting the organization and the events, but if you do not participate at a local level we do not know what your interests are. How can we work together to create a strong organization rather than experience the rhetoric of your post? All of us on the board are very proud to be a part of PPFA and work to support the organization. You have a lot to offer and it would be great to have your input.
 

Cliff Wilson

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
The results order is
1) any Members in the specified zipcode first alphabetical within that list
2) ALL Members that meet the radius criteria in "Zipcode order" after the matching zipcodes.
3) Alphabetical within any zipcode

Changing formatting looks doable.
Changing the order of search results is a longer term project with money and development associated with it. It is unlikely that this will be changed in the short term.

There are some "anomalies" where the results seem to be wrong. We are looking into those.
Please understand these things are going to take time. They have been like this for a very long time and the code is old and proprietary.
Have patience please.
 

mbboston

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
I think we are wasting time with an outdating program. PMA uses the same program for other member groups. The cost of switching would not be entirely up to us. This software British are using is more in line with 21st Century and graphically it is well done, looks very professional. No confusion, just one column, businesses listed by distance and all certifications are there. It is basically a special Google map, much like Randy created a while ago. Here is the link for Custom Frame Shop Map Project:

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=216268060208156123744.0004ba943045bc6a45ff5



 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
Changes made, some happen quickly some take time, some take money, some take time and money.


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9 records returned in this search,
Black Iris Gallery
Sandwich, IL 60548-1926
Business: Picture Framer with Art Sales
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Quality Plus Photo Service Inc
Worth, IL 60482-2329
Business: Retail Finisher (1 Hr/Mini Lab)
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The Great Frame Up #569
Kildeer, IL 60047-3009
Business: Picture Framer with Art Sales
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Latzel, Barbara CPF
The Framemakers
Westmont, IL 60559-1784
Business: Picture Framer Retailer
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sentiam
Bensenville, IL 60106-3320
Business: Internet/Online Retailer
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Zanocco, Karolyn CPF
The Frame Shoppe Gallery
Rockford, IL 61107-1451
Business: Picture Framer Retailer
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The Great Frame Up Systems Inc
Franklin Park, IL 60131-2802
Business: Picture Framer Retailer
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Mainframe
Princeton, IL 61356-2007
Business: Picture Framer Retailer
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Custom Framing To You
New Lenox, IL 60451-1893
Business: Picture Framer with Art Sales
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Ylva

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
That was fast!!! :thumbsup:

I am still anxiously waiting to be included, how long does one have to wait?????

When I do a search in my zipcode; 01930, there are quite a few websites that don't open:

Newburyport framers
Oliver Brothers
Four square framing gets me to godaddy but no website
 

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Cool!!!
Now hopefully they can add my name to my business listing along with my facebook page.
We'll see!!!
 

Mike Labbe

Member, Former moderator team volunteer
That was fast!!! :thumbsup:
...
When I do a search in my zipcode; 01930, there are quite a few websites that don't open:

Newburyport framers
Oliver Brothers
Four square framing gets me to godaddy but no website
http://www.newburyportframers.com/ - their site is down and times out

http://www.oliverbrothersframes.com/ - their site is down and times out (I wonder if theyre both using the same ISP, which is having a temporary issue?)

http://foursquareframing.com/ - this one is legitimately registered until 2015, but is parked at their registrar (godaddy.com). Not currently active/pointed to a webhost.

Hopefully we see Artemis on there by Monday! :)
 
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