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Products I would like to see

Peter Ackerman

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
This thread has had some very good ideas put out for consideration. Some of them require ESP or technology that is only seen in science fiction novels. However, we are working a couple of the more realistic ideas. Black wood glue and the suggestion for longer tabs and holes on each tab for offset clips are being worked on now. When we have our 95th anniversary special book finished and mailed, look in the center pages where we will have many new items for you to ponder. Keep the suggestions coming.
Peter Ackerman
 

jvandy57

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Hey, before I forget..........

I would like to Publicly Thank Peter Ackerman and United for the assistance that I received with the recent purchase of a hanging system for the Oldham County Art Center. Although United was listed as contributor in the center mailings and programs, Peter and his staff will probably never see it. But, because of his generosity the hanging system was affordable and VERY, VERY well received by the Art Center and helped make the first art show a great success.

So again THANK YOU PETER!!!!!
 

Framar

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Hey Peter - here are a couple of existing products that I have to buy from art supply stores which perhaps you could carry?

Black acrylic gesso (for mirror rabbets and a myriad of other tasks). Liquitex makes it as does Golden.

Gel Medium - The new replacement for the much-maligned silicone!

Irridescent Bronze acrylic paint - also a Liquitex product - the perfect color for many frame touch-ups!!!

Once again - your interest in this topic proves the superiority of United!!! Thanks!
 

Alan Sturgess

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
Re Off Set Clips with holes in both tabs.

Someone asked about offset clips with holes on both ends. I suggested this idea to Art Materials Service about five years ago. It took them awhile to implement the idea and make new dies for their punch presses. They introduced them about two years ago. Holes on each tab make offset clips in all sizes much more versatile.

You can view them on page C12 at the top of the page at

Off Set Web Page


If you deal with any distributor that sells AMS products they can get them for you.

Alan
 

ERIC

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Hey Peter, what do you think about a logo that says "Grumbler approved" or tested, . . . ?
You could place it on the catalog page next any products that you think came from your conversations with us Grumblers.

And at the next trade show, you could put the logo on your jacket lapel, since you yourself are Grumbler approved!
 

Framar

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I have just come up with a scathingly brilliant idea of how to make a "foam board edge crusher." And, if it works the way I think it will - y'all will just have to buy one little item from United and modify it slightly. And then...VOILA! (I hope!)

Stay tuned...
 
G

Gumbogirl

Guest
No fair, Mar!

We are not a patient group, are we?

Great thread, btw.

Gel medium replacing silicone? I think I missed this class.
Will search for this, I'm guessing it was covered here?
 

Framar

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I don't want to get everybody's hopes up until I perfect my idea... sorry,GG y'all are gonna hafta wait...

I think if you do a search on Gel Medium you'll find the thread where we talked about using it - back on that thread about arrowheads I think...

Hugh thinks it is a "good thing."
 

EllenAtHowards

PFG, Picture Framing God
I would like United to carry the good (read: expensive) 3M Scotch Brite cloths. They are so good for cleaning glass, and I have about washed mine to death...
 

j Paul

PFG, Picture Framing God
Quote from FRAMAR "I have just come up with a scathingly brilliant idea of how to make a "foam board edge crusher."


Hey Guys/Gals, I don't know if this has been tried by anyone, but the Sheet Metal Guys (think furnaces) have a pair of pliers that have a wide mouth 4-6" wide that they use to flatten/crimp the seams in sheet metal. It may be called crimping pliers, certainly seems like it would work for flattening the edges of foamcore, with of course a much lighter touch.

Of course maybe Framar is on to a much better idea. No sarcasm or disrespect.
 

Rosalyn

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
Wow! This is so impressive. Mr. Ackerman is not only listening but wants to hear more AND is taking action!!!

Now that's what makes a great company!
 

Mike Labbe

Member, Former moderator team volunteer
>What software would you like to see in your shop?

I think the CMC, POS, and Print companies have most angles covered, but one thing that could make life a bit easier would be a facelift for the UMS website.

Perhaps an easier to navigate format, with more product pictures, KEYWORD and/or item# searches, and true e-commerce that accepts online payments and offers tracking # (online and by email) once an order has shipped.

Searching can be somewhat intimidating now, because of the way the items are sorted in a tree-like (sub menus) structure. A Keyword search to get right to the item may solve this problem. www.staples.com has a great format to use as an example, which not only brings up the matches, but brings up alternative items grouped in the same category. Each item is indexed under multiple keywords, description, their item #, manufacturer's item #, etc.

I'm not knocking the site, but merely suggesting some things which will make it easier for us to find the products we need quicker and hand over our money


THANK YOU for sponsoring the Grumble and being so responsive to our feedback!

Mike
 

The King

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
This is not a new product idea. Somebody already thought it up and has been selling them to woodworkers. I bought a couple of Incra T-rules (6" and 12" ) from a woodworking shop and I think if they were more readily available to framers, we would see them in every shop.

http://www.incra.biz/Products/RulesTRules.html

 

Macfadden

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
In a shop where the CMC has replaced the manual cutter making deep bevel corners can involve hauling the 60" out of the closet and finding a place to set it up. What about a little machine like the fillet cutter just for deep bevels - and the best thing is that it could have that slight angle necessary to get that great corner already built in?

As for foamcore crushing - a rolling pin along the edges has always worked for me.

Pam
 

Whynot

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Originally posted by ERIC:
Hey Peter, what do you think about a logo that says "Grumbler approved" or tested, . . . ?
You could place it on the catalog page next any products that you think came from your conversations with us Grumblers.
This is a great idea, Peter. Indeed, this would probably rid United's inventory of that despicable Lion miter trimmer joke which I purchased from them a couple of years ago, and sent it to Romania, just to later learn that I bought an absolute miserable tool and flushed my money down the toilette. The funnier part is that a Taiwanese knock off version of that very same tool is incomparably better made and costs half that much I paid United for the "original". Hope that Peter learned from my photo documented sad experience and dropped that supplier or made him do better.
 

Peter Ackerman

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
Mike,
Please compare apples to apples. I do not think it fair to compare Staples who had First 1/4 sales of 3.90 Billion, (that’s billion with a b) to United. The type of data base they use to allow the type search you want is beyond our reach financially. That is why the owner of Oracle is amongst the richest men in the world. I too feel our web site needs a tweak or two and I am the first to admit it is cumbersome and difficult to navigate. We will soon have an alpha search capability and I am working on new photos as well as better descriptions. It is also quite a job just keeping pricing current with almost 9000 skus. Improvements are on the way. Please let me know how we stack up against other web sites in our industry, as I am sure you will find our site to be one of the best.
As for e-commerce, I am afraid that is not in the cards. Our web site is encrypted and does allow the use of credit cards.
 

Peter Ackerman

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
Whynot,
The company that manufactured the Lion Mitre Trimmer has gone out of business. We did not manufacture this machine and my experience was mixed. People sweared by it or at it, there was no middle of the road. I remember your experience with it and I am still very sorry for what happened.
Peter
 

Rick Granick

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Peter, thanks for your interest and responsiveness and, as always, for your sponsorship of the Grumble as well. I know we all look forward to the new products and website updates.
:cool: Rick
 

Whynot

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Peter,

I am always sorry for old companies going out of business. I suspect that Lion Mitre Trimmer's quality was not foreign to the end of its manufacturer.
 

Mike Labbe

Member, Former moderator team volunteer
Peter,

Please understand that I was just offering a constructive suggestion to improve an already excellent service. We are a happy customer of yours.

We will soon have an alpha search capability and I am working on new photos as well as better descriptions.

This is exactly what I meant, and will make using the site so much easier and efficient. I hope you some day beat their 15 billion per year income!


Thank you
Mike
 

Framar

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
So here are pix of my foam board crusher. It still needs "tweaking" but ya get the idea...

I used my glass seamer - removed rods, replaced with alternating 5/8ths marbles and nylon spacers with a piece of coroplast underneath to fill the space.

Works pretty cool - try it!





Main problem in need of fixing is that the marbles and the spacers roll around too freely - they need a way to be anchored in the side tracks... I toss this idea out to the REAL inventors in the crowd!

OOPS - Just looked at the photos - this version shows the 5/8ths dowel pieces - I forgot they worked better than the nylon spacers (I'll be alright!)...
 

Steven6095

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Framer - make it perfect, get the patent and sell it to all of us making yourself rich!
 

Matoaka

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
How about a wood putty that won't leave a trail of color on the table, on my hands, or on the wall?

(Or, I guess I could just make perfect corners.)
 

Sister

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
I want a device that will restack framer's points to use again. I would find it particularly useful on those days where I spend much time removing points to get yet another **** speck off the glass or mat. At the end of the day, the floor is covered with these little silver droppings.
 

The King

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Sister, sounds like you could use Flexipoints.
 

dougj

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Have good old castiron vices(reasently dressed trued to 90 degrees by machine shop)which clamp against the rabbit. Also have a clearmount saw system that cuts from the rabbit side. Have a Amp sander that sands from the out side of the frame. Problem rabbit and outside are not even, lost my square mitre. Would like a mitre sander that sands from the rabbit. Ever thing from the same surface.
 

Lance E

Member
Not so much a product I want rather than a wee addition... It would be very handy for manufacturers to print a "center" mark/line on their packaging for each axis so as it can be used to establish a point of balance. This could be especially handy for glass and other oversized boxes.
 

Handy

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
I would love one of those point re-stackers!! If you ever invent one let me know!! LOL!!

How about a moulding stretchin' machine for those times when there is a ding right in the middle of the piece and you have to cut around it and then you are 1 inch too short. Of course, this thing would have a "wood straightening" option as well for those pieces that come to us looking like hockey sticks.....
 

Rick Granick

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
How about a device similar to that used to help put coins in rolls that would re-stack and re-glue staples when they come shipped all in broken strips. (Whatever happened to putting a little bubble wrap around fragile items?)
Rick
 

Magnolia Framing

True Grumbler
Another software product that I would like to see:

Lifesaver (I think) has the software that will continue the corner/mat samples on a design to show what the finished product would look like. Lowe's sells a software that you can load an image of your room and see what a different wall color would look like.

What if we had a product that would combine these features. The customer could bring in a picture of their existing wall, and their artwork. The software would not only complete the corners and mats - but would also show what it would look like on the wall.
 

MacGyver

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
My wish would be for a CHOPPER with table attachments and appropriate stops (with measurements) for cutting multi angled frames not just 45s..this would definitely speed everything up and take off those nips on my right index finger during those manual trimming with the chopper! LOL! :D
 

preservator

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Those who are tired of having colored wax nail hole filler showing up all over the shop can try
acrylic paint (a bit messy) or the "Sculpy" plastic that can be formed and baked... without
baking, of course.

Hugh
 

B. Newman

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
As for all those leftover framer's points that we take out to get the "speck" - use a manual point "driver" (can't think of the "official" name of the tool) and use them on fragile framestock or when fitting pastels. The points go in softly and gently and don't knock pastel dust everywhere.

Betty
 

jim@wizard

Grumbler
CORRECTION:

BobD and others,
I have to correct myself. The price of extra copies Wizard MatDesigner is $79 to existing Wizard customers. For non-Wizard customers, the price is $579.00. My sales people were quick to point out the error of my ways..

Jim Brown
 

Bob Doyle

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Originally posted by jim@wiz:
CORRECTION:

BobD and others,
I have to correct myself. The price of extra copies Wizard MatDesigner is $79 to existing Wizard customers. For non-Wizard customers, the price is $579.00. My sales people were quick to point out the error of my ways..

Jim Brown
****! The one time introductory price, extended to grumblers only, of $79 is too good to pass up! The extra $500 however.....
 

Framing Goddess

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Just today I thought of something I could use around here now and then.

A mini fillet. Just a skinny little thing, it doesn't have to be fancy and does not need to have a finish. Any wood, raw would be fine. It has to be wood, though.

Can I have it tommorrow afternoon, please? Thanks.

edie the dontevenaskwhatitsfor goddess
 

snafu

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
I want 40x60 print sleeves without the board inside, so they can be rolled up for shipping UPS. This would save lots on freight and handling.
 

Grumbler F.K.A. Harry

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
Edie,
Nurre Caxton may have something for you. I hust got two tiny little simpe WOOD fillets in gold and silver. They provide a nice suble accent. The smalles fillet I have seen. Sorry I don't know the numbers right now as they are at the store and, well, I am not. You may want to check them out.

As for me, I would like a GOOD hand tool for cutting fillets. I know there are some pretty good choppers out there, but I want a hand tool..... like a pair of wire cutters almost. I have a pair of the ones in the United Cat.I think), but there not quite what I want.... more durable, and to yeild better miters....
 

SteveT

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
I would like something that would quickly tape off the inside of the frame with barrier tape, maybe something like painters use to tape off around windows.
Steve
 

SteveT

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
One more..paints in marker form that match metal frames. When I use my wood-colored markers on them they show too much.
St
 

Framar

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Steve - Have you tried paint markers? They are pigment based instead of dye base. Limited color range but gold, silver, black, plus colors. My set of 12 came from Uni (Sanford) - I think I got them at a Office supply store...
 

The King

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
There used to be a set of enamels for metal frames to match the painted finishes. I don't remember if they were from (and for) Nielsen or Clark metals.

I never had much success with them.
 

Susan May

Gone.
Any good art supply store should carry "Painty Markers" They are felt tipped paint markers, and come in a wide veriety of colors.
 

Framing Goddess

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I just thought of something else I could have fun (and success) with.

I would like to see 'green' mat boards available.
These would be made largely (or entirely) of recycled materials. They would be manufactured in such a way that uses no chlorine and/or results in no icky by-products (dioxin... etc.)

Is there such an animal? Even if would come out looking like dryer lint, it might be a neat thing to market. I guess I am picturing something romantic like those yummy solid cores, except with the addition of some artsy subtle speckles and blobs.

I have actually had customers ask about this.

edie the toomuchtimetothinktoday goddess
 

Rick Granick

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Edie- I've thought of that too. They might end up looking like the now-discontinued Crescent whitecore mat called "Clebration" that had little color flecks like confetti all over the white background. (It was great for framing invitations.)
I think this product might be ok, as long as it didn't look too much like "shirt cardboard", as some people already think framing is nothing more than "4 pieces of wood and some cardboard". Also, if it doesn't sell like hotcakes it'll be discontinued before you can say "Toyota Prius".
:cool: Rick
 
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