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Regis blames BBs for chain closing

Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by -S-, Feb 29, 2008.

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  1. Emibub

    Emibub PFG, Picture Framing God

    Oh good Lord. The day I came here 6.5 years ago is when my mistake started Cornel. I have been more than clear on that since day one. I've jumped through hoops for 6.5 years just trying to keep it alive. I've never had the funds needed or the honest to God business smarts required to be completely successful. I've been my own victim of the worst biz decision ever made. I could continue if I chose to. I choose not to. I've had moments of success. There is even more working against me with the economy the changing industry. The restaurant next door to me has been closed for nearly a year and that is affecting me. Turns out some people think it is me closed. These are things beyond my control that has lead me to that decision. I am not sneaking away with my tail between my legs. I don't believe quitting or stopping ekwals failure.

    If I thought it was feasible to continue on I would in a heartbeat. But, it is not so, I won't. I am perfectly comfortable with that decision. I promise you I am not failing due to what I chose to sell to my customers. I can sell them when I get them in the door, that is no problem for me. There simply are not enough of them to sell to. I've never once blamed my situation an anybody but myself Cornel. You just have the wrong impression of me and most of the others on this forum. I've done the best I can as a framer, I give as high of quality as I can. Believe me the products I choose to sell and the image I project is not my downfall.

    I find it ironic that you can make a business decision to lower the quality of your materials because they are too expensive and you look down your nose at us when we do the same. You said Grumblers would find a less expensive frame more appealing. Why is that any different than our customers wanting the same?

    The one thing that is for sure is I know you have done yourself and your company more damage over the years being deliberately mean and even being banned a time or two and having to create new user names. I'm willing to bet there are more than a few Grumblers who would elect not to sell your products because of your behavior. But, you wouldn't have needed their business anyway!:thumbsup:
     
  2. Jay H

    Jay H PFG, Picture Framing God

    Cornel, you've never won any awards for your personality have you?
     
  3. Paul N

    Paul N In Corner

    The day ain't over yet.....:p
     
  4. Whynot

    Whynot SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Kathy,

    You probably can't believe it but I hear your pain and I feel for you. I am one year your senior and I would be also desperate if ever in need to find a job regardless in what shape the economy was at that point. Period. No kidding. That alone would motivate me to resist, be cautious, forward thinking, look for quality, develop and guard that special thing that's all mine and makes me needed in my quality, not as a butcher, driver or production line worker.

    Being an older grumbler than you are, I do remember your beginnings. I followed your evolution through your posts. Sorry to say it so bluntly, but it's hard to imagine a good, smart framer that is drowning in the outskirts of Denver, CO, without having to blame everything on himself for that. Not having enough capital is a huge handicap, which in my books can be overcome by
    1) taking a sufficient size loan,
    2) getting a reliable partner or
    3) being very special (not just another framer doing same/more for less) and concomitently working really hard and burning tons of imaginative thinking at the same time.

    You apparently had no luck with the first two and underestimated the third road. You are not alone in this situation. Too many have jumped in recent years into framing with not enough money and knowledge. How many are still around? I thought so. While The Grumbler may teach you right from wrong when you do understand what you are doing, it isn't a substitute for the lack of formal framing and business education just like those frame instructors can teach you new tunes if you already know to play the instrument. What was perhaps possible a few decades ago became suicidal in recent years and blind starting a framing business is prone to fail.

    As one lady business you've been very casual about your real responsibilities and your 6,531 posts scored on TG stay evidence. There is your blod and flesh capital that you wasted on cheap chat instead of studying and working hard to improve or reinvent yourself. You could have learned to work and sell on the internet, make some frames or framing that would set you apart in Denver, or you could just as well have been speaking Chinese by now if between 2001 and 2008 you had learned three new words every day. As you are going to close the doors to your shop you are still not yet convinced that your safest way to success was to have become SPECIAL, not just done things right. This “special” word means to me rare, unique not necessarily expensive (despite so many thinking that I am feedeing you my frames).

    Many would wonder what am I doing on TG since it is so evident that most of my costumers are not here and I am treating you with too much truth to reasonably hope to make a sale? Well, first of all I am not an one man band and can afford this daily drug. Then, secondly, this is how I understand what's going on around me and learn from other people's mistakes, including yours, Kathy. I owe you a lot, and I am not being ironic here. Your case belongs in a small business text book.
     
  5. DTWDSM

    DTWDSM SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Kathy,

    If you don't mind I would like to respond to that one for you...

    Go to #### !!!!!
     
  6. Whynot

    Whynot SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I've been there more than once in my life. It's not fun, but much safer than up here. So I returned.

    How come nobody is able to handle the truth but with adversity and cursing? Hope you don't stick your thong up to your doctor when you don't like what his telling you, Tim.

    I am truly amazed at how loyal and open heartedly I come to grumblers’ support but, unless I tell you how nice, smart and successful you are even when you're free falling, I am perceived as your enemy. Is this a free forum or a girl school class in hypocrisy?
     
  7. DTWDSM

    DTWDSM SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Cornell,

    As I have said in the past, and I am sure you can look it up if you would like to, my only problem with what you have to say is that you always have to insult people while trying to make a point. When you say something like:

    "I am truly amazed at how loyal and open heartedly I come to grumblers’ support"

    I really have to laugh because "open heartedly" and "support" are 2 words that I really can't see much of anyone here using to describe you. I will be the first to admit that I have agreed with you on a few subjects over the years, not a whole lot but a few I think your point was right on the mark. Yet you always seem to find a way to belittle someone here and even though I do not always agree with the way someone runs their business, I am not going to belittle them in front of their peers.

    You seem to be an intelligent man yet people here will never really understand your points because you take too much pride in putting others down.

    Not quite sure what the thong thing meant but if it was supposed to be funny...good one!
     
  8. Whynot

    Whynot SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    That's simply not so. I do admire openly some people of brains and/or talent around here, one of whom is seriously thinking of giving up on framing. But, man, that guy is razor sharp and exact in what he's thinking and in his case that would be an intelligent move, not simply accepting defeat after shooting the last bullet astray. There is quite a bunch of other intelligent and successful people around who don't need my warnings or my correcting them. What can I say? I listen and take notes when they give their opinions. If I don't interfere that's because I agree and respect their views. My being silent is my highest form of respect and approval.

    You make me look as if I enjoy insulting people and the minute I open my mouth I'll do it just to please my insane self. If you check on my posts you'll notice that I react to trivial, puny topics expressing...how you mcall it in a nice way?... candid (is that offensive?) opinions which, if left unchallenged, might degenerate in monstrosities or disasters, just like the case of those celebrating on (large or small) sinking parts of this industry would be, which drama is stupidly thought to profit to those being next in line or to some universal revolutionary sense of justice. Rarely my reaction comes from a moral point of view, simply because that would be debatable and relative, but from a logic, Cartesian platform. Tell me that you disagree with me, and bring your arguments to the table, don't criticize me for calling things and actions by their given names. Do you pretend that there aren't such things like stupidity, envy, myopia, hypocrisy, gratuitous praises, false consolations and such, or one must better eat **** than admit truth by its name? Whom does that attitude serve? Who does that false politeness spare?




    Man, I have no way to validate your sayings. Grumblers are too polite to tell each other the truth, how can I expect an exception in my case? I can't believe you people when praising, nor when criticizing because your words are padded to the point they mean nothing or quite the contrary. Paul Cascio and Kathy became somewhat more verbose and vehement lately, but they attacked me without really reading my posts, for what I never said, which fact ab initio invalidated their messages.

    But you are readily going to send me to **** rather than disagree with me in the open in front of my peers, right? I won't qualify your gesture because you don't understand Romanian, and I don't know those words in English as yet.
     
  9. Dermot.

    Dermot. In Corner

  10. surferbill

    surferbill SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Whynot,
    You are breaking new ground, with your cutting edge ideas on marketing and how to win new customers.

    If everyone on the grumble is a potential customer for you of closed corner frames, I can't think of a better way to win them over than belittling, mocking, and insulting them.

    I've been in business for 27 yrs, and I know that I would look forward to doing business with someone who is cranky, gruff, and insulting.

    There is a great book that's been out for a few years called "How to win friends, and influence people" that you might want to read.

    Instead, I think you read the one called "How to lose friends, and infuriate people."

    Good luck with your one man crusade to annoy every grumbler.
     
  11. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    OK, now here's a clue to the negative responses you normally receive.

    You might win Grumbler Of The Year if you turn that around. Instead of being silent in respect and approval, be vocal. And instead of being vocal in disrespect and disapproval, be silent.

    Just a thought.
     
  12. DTWDSM

    DTWDSM SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    You said it, not me or anyone else here.


    No I don't pretend, I choose to ignore, ie keep silent

    You will not get an exception from me here, I think you know and have known how I feel.
     
  13. -S-

    -S- CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I'm getting side-tracked like everyone else following this thread.

    Call me crazy but I do appreciate a lot of what Cornel contributes. I appreciate someone calling me out when I display half-formed thoughts or faulty logic. (Though in the case of my original posting, I do think he misunderstood what I was saying.) I think he is not as malicious as many might think. He's no diplomat, that's all. He's adding his opinion freely just like the rest of us. He has a right to his opinions. I don't care if he doesn't sugar-coat it.
     
  14. Bob Carter

    Bob Carter SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    It takes two to tango; those goading have no higher ground than the "goader".

    This ain't no one way street

    Fault or no fault, there are those that simply enjoy the back and forth of arguing

    That club has many more members than most will admit

    Like so many dust-ups, this will end when one party tires and doesn't wish to respond

    I'm not betting that it happens quickly as insults, intended or not, are hurled in both directions with a sense of "Yeah, but they started it"

    It takes two to tango
     
  15. Verdaccio

    Verdaccio MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Supply = Demand

    IMO, we are all of us diminished when a framer goes down because it reduces the demand. How much of something do you sell in your shop when you have only one on display? Don't remember who said it here, but more framing going on increases demand. The last thing we all want is for Michael's or Joann's or Hobby Lobby to go out of the framing business...

    When demand is diminished, suppliers are hurt. They stop carrying as much onhand inventory to reduce expenses, they eliminate certain items, and the suppliers of those certain items are hurt. Before long, there are things you cannot get anymore, or they go up in price because there is not the demand for them there once was. Many of your items are backordered and take longer to get to you.

    Further, quality is reduced to try to get new price points and profit back close to when demand was higher...

    We have already seen the consolidation in the industry to larger providers, the closing of many small framers, and a diminishing of demand and an increasing pinch on suppliers - look at United if you want an example. Remember back 5 or 10 years ago on how many backorder items you had...compare their iron framing vices from nearly a decade ago to the ones they sell today as an example of decreasing quality. Not picking on United here, but this is something I have seen with my own eyes.

    While we indies might disavow the BB business practices, if any one of them went down, we as an industry would be that much further sunk I think. Our suppliers depend on them to keep up demand, and frankly so do we.
     
  16. Jay H

    Jay H PFG, Picture Framing God

    Oh, well yea then you are missunderstood. So you don't enjoy insulting people? Ohh well never mind thats completely different! I don't mind being insulted as long as the offender doesn't enjoy it.
     
  17. Paul N

    Paul N In Corner

    You are crazy.;)
     
  18. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Of course you are right, -S-. Cornel, like nearly everyone else here, usually has something useful to contribute. The issue generally is not the message, but the messenger.

    Whatever the message, a good messenger smiles and hands it to you in an envelope, with due respect and common courtesy. Most of us welcome or at least tolerate a message well delivered, even if it's bad news.

    In contrast, Cornel looks down his nose at you, wads up the message and throws it at your feet. When the message is accompanied by contempt or condemnation, it makes you not want to bend over to get the message. Au contrare, we tend to kick it back.

    My theory is that's how messengers work in Romania, and we're just culturally insensitive. Maybe we ought to lighten up a little.
     
  19. Paul N

    Paul N In Corner

    Jim:

    You are absolutely right. There are 2 ways to say something useful and conducive to a good discussion.

    If one were to choose the wrong way to say it, it may not sound that positive anymore. Or the listeners (here, readers) may just ignore it when it becomes tedious and contemptuous.
     
  20. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Maybe it's worth noting that nobody's perfect. Any one of us might be a bad messenger on a given day, regardless of our intentions. Few of us can say we've never flamed another Grumbler in a moment of weakness. And when we're poked, we tend to poke back. Isn't that human nature?

    After a few dozen communications among people, personalities emerge. Each is unique. Some are OK, some we like, and some we don't. Our propensity toward forgiveness has a lot to do with how we generally perceive the offender.

    For instance, when Gail screams for the third time, "Turn off that $%&# computer and come to dinner!", I cut her a little slack.
     
  21. Emibub

    Emibub PFG, Picture Framing God

    Nah, I won't buy that. He speaks English fine. He uses words some Grumblers don't even use, he may use them wrong.................Rudeness is rudeness no matter where you are from. I've been told by a couple of Grumblers over the years that Cornel's son has said he enjoys nothing better than coming here and saying derogatory things and then sitting back and watching the sparks fly. He's had to tone it down over the years since he kept getting banned. This is actually the "pleasant toned down" version. Yikes.

    He has enjoyed picking on me for a while now. Probably because I am so vocal. I am okay with that. I knew he would counter attack yesterday if I spoke up, but, I chose to do so anyway. Who knows, maybe I was spoiling for a fight. Plus, his postings are pretty transparent and I see through a lot of them.

    His shots at me are old news. He acts like he is divulging for the first time that I made a huge error and was unprepared to run a biz when I bought this place. Yikes, my position on the G has been one of poster child for bad bidness decisions, old news Cornel.

    He is however totally off base about me and how I run my shop. He has no clue about my skill level as a framer or my positioning in Denver. Or even if shops are thriving here. Small fact, 10 years ago there were 350 frame shops along the front range, there are now approx 120. I had 16 years previous experience running shops ,believe me, that is the least of my worries. I haven't sat here waiting for things to get better. Kwite the contrary, I'm fully aware of the shifts in the industry and how people are changing their shopping patterns. I consider myself very informed. I do believe I have done what I can to set myself apart and to be different. I don't think I am that text book case of a failing small business that he alluded to either. I could absolutely care less what Cornel thinks of me but I do feel I need to defend some of the misnomers he spews. I do care what some of you guys think.

    I am not saying he has nothing to contribute here. I even agree with him from time to time. But , there is a certain level of civility rekwired to communicate here and he seems to lack that. In fact he relishes in making people feel bad, that comes across loud and clear. I'm glad I have been able to provide him such amusement since announcing I am not renewing my lease. I guess since he doesn't like me he is gleeful watching me "fail" as he puts it. Glad to help Cornel!

    I hope this is all I have to say.....................
     
  22. Emibub

    Emibub PFG, Picture Framing God

    Oh yeah, I forgot..........................As to my high post count, let's face it, I did the first 5k in the first 2 years.....................I know I have been slacking since. My postings are my gift to all Grumblers. I know my lack of them leaves you wanting more. I will try to amp it up in the coming months! You are welcome.

    Also, I do know this much Chinese and oddly it seems to fit here. You are welcome in advance Cornel!

    Cornel, 您具有非常性格, 您也许想要考虑一高的colonic 。
     
  23. Emibub

    Emibub PFG, Picture Framing God

    There, now I think I am done.
     
  24. Paul N

    Paul N In Corner

    Encore, encore!!!!
     
  25. Jerry Ervin

    Jerry Ervin PFG, Picture Framing God

    I really don't know what I would do without this place.

    It cheers me up on a rainy day.

    Thanks Guys!
     
  26. Maryann

    Maryann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

     
  27. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    As to the original topic, I agree with Verdaccio (Michael)'s post about supply, demand, and the vendor supply chain.

    I'm staying out of the other discussion, other than to say, "We love you, Kathy."

    :kaffeetrinker_2: Rick
     
  28. PaulSF

    PaulSF PFG, Picture Framing God

    Sometimes a decision to close (or sell) has nothing to do with how good an operator you are, or how good business is. On Sunday I popped into a hamburger place in my neighborhood for lunch, and the owner told me she's selling at the end of the month. Nothing wrong with business, but the landlord jacked her rent to a ridiculous level. So she's selling out, rather than work twice as hard to cover the increased rent. She's had plenty of business, it's a good location, service is good and personal, the burgers are good. But she's either got to find a way to increase customers by 10% or more, or raise her prices.
     
  29. Bob Carter

    Bob Carter SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Sometimes the fight is simply not worth the fight and a better living can be made elsewhere. Knowing my friend Kathy, I can safely suggest this might apply

    Which is exactly why I take no comfort in anybody losing their biz

    A safer approach might be to suggest she did the best she could with as little as anyone I know.

    Someone day, each of us will shut it down. I hope when I do that i don't have people telling me what a poor operator I was, even if it was true
     
  30. Dermot.

    Dermot. In Corner

    Perhaps Cornell has become a bit of a “Nebun”
     
  31. JRB

    JRB PFG, Picture Framing God

    What quandary, I like Kathy, and I like Cornel, so taking sides is out of the question. Now that I think about it, there are not too many Grumblers I don't like. I got pissed off at Jim Miller a few months back, over what I can't recall. His wit and intelligence quickly defused my cranky attitude, and attitude it was. This group of people who call themselves picture framers is a good one, I wouldn't like to see any of us leave this site.

    John
     
  32. Whynot

    Whynot SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Hi guys,

    I. Please don't ever imagine that Romanians don't know how to muffle bad news or feelings. They are civilized people too and obey the rules de la vie diplomatique. I must be a mutant I guess and it's probably too late to get my chain reversed. In fact I don't want to become more palatable simply because that would imply me learning new English and I am getting too old for that.

    II. Kathy's auto-pilot is wrongfully set in what I am concerned. She probably speaks only English and this is why she's getting surprised by my using rare words. I have a master degree in Economics and don't read the news paper up side down, but whoever talked to me directly 1) knows (but won't tell me ;)) that I am not Shakespeare and my day to day English is very rocky, and 2) I am not a mean character, except for not patting mediocrity which makes me look that way. But 1) I functioned in four different languages and that helps with sparkling my message with unexpectedly rare words as they happen to pop up first and 2) I know that even failures can be excellent lessons if not cushioned and made believe they were something else, not enough important to deserve scrutiny.

    III. I don't know if you people refrain from having your favorite dish because the cook is black, green or blue, speaks poor English, and is the least diplomatic of mortals. Probably not many. Then what makes you believe that I loose business because some grumblers, instead of keeping it colloquially loose, choose to voluntarily identify themselves as carrying same attributes as those I castigate with no exact address and vehemently react to my posts? How come that Bob Carter, Jim Miller, John Ranes, Baer, Framerguy or the Goddess are not furious that I am referring to them, but individuals I've never met react as if I posted their picture on TG as an explicative illustration of my words? Could it be about self confidence and ...candor?
    It takes knowledge, intelligence, taste and self esteem to appreciate my frames anyway. And as far as of today a single grumbler dismissed them as trinkets and I am OK with that since he's a teacher of what he doesn't know how to make himself.
    And if messenger counts that much, I always have Timis to do the selling. Have you met him? Well, he didn't take after his father but after his mother and he's irresistible. :)
    I don't expect to be loved by grumblers, just respected for what I make or say, of course when those two are of any value to them.
    See you soon!


    Dermot,

    I learned lately to like you quite a bit. You can't touch me, but I apreciate with a large smile the fact that you learned that word and thought of me first. :) :)
    That Romanian word stays for bolond, fou, matto, locco or crazy in all that many languages,
     
  33. Paul N

    Paul N In Corner

    Maybe because the above mentioned are true diplomatic gentlemen (I don't know about Baer....:p - and a true lady), and don't want to tell you that you are an obnoxious person and to he11 with your frames whether gold or tin based?? And stop hiding behind your English or lack thereof. Please!

    I speak 5 languages and I know when I do insult somebody in any of them, but hey, that's me. And you may take a wild guess if I am doing that right now.

    And lastly, In my my book, anybody who insults a person like Kathy Wymore and talks condescendingly about other fellow Grumblers and suppliers doesn't deserve the time of day (to put it mildly, since this is not Warped).

    So, to summarize, if you want people (and just Grumblers) to take you seriously, either go to Charm School and start at the very first level, or stop the condescending attitude. Doing both is a good idea.
     
  34. Whynot

    Whynot SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Paul,

    I love you too! :)
    See, even you call those people TOO diplomatic because, in all truth, they could have found a less or just diplomatic way to convey their suspicion if they thought that I was aiming at them. No, man, they felt under no attack from me, and rightfully so.

    And, BTW, it's OK to call mediocrity by its name in all five languages (when you meet it). That's not dissing. That also helps with your standards. Keeping silent or praising it would be dissing for real values instead. You may be wrong by some people, you may be right by others, but you are true to yourself and that's what really counts. Don't you feel better now that you are speaking your mind to me? I bet you do. Good bless you for your emancipation from plain, civil hypocrisy.

    I am not afraid to be wrong and acknowledge it when that's the case, but by the same token I am not afraid to be right either. I grew up in communist Romania and learned what duplicity (diplomacy, civility) was. I hate it from my guts. The way I speak is my celebration for becoming free to express myself and not afraid of consequences. I see America as a meritocracy and as far as I am good at something, nobody can take it from me. I survived in America through what people liked of me, not by asking or receiving pity for what I am not or unable to do.
     
  35. Paul Cascio

    Paul Cascio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Whynot, here's your word for the day:

    buf·foon
    Pronunciation: \(ˌ)bə-ˈfün\
    Function: noun

    Someone who provides amusement through inappropriate appearance and/or behavior. Strictly, a buffoon describes a "ridiculous, but nevertheless amusing person. In the more modern sense, the term is frequently used in a derogatory sense to describe someone considered a public fool, or someone whose inappropriately vulgar, bumbling, or ridiculous behavior is a source of general amusement.


    ____________________

    Apparently you've learned nothing from what's been posted here in the past 24 hours. Because just a few posts after grovelling for forgiveness, you are back to insutling people, and placing the blame on others. You're what the British refer to as, "Too smart by half."

    I was going to stay out of this so as not to appear to be piling on, but you've ignored my cautions.

    Cornel, you're nothing more than a phoney and a bully who is now being dealt with by the populace. Your posts are mere tranparent attempts to sell your readymade frames through any means possible. Far from your cockiness of a year ago, you now have the sound of a desperate man who will stop at nothing to make a sale, and whose false bravado is reapidly fading.

    The type of hucksterism you resort to may work just fine in Romania, but it doesn't fly over here (except in informercials), even amongst people with intelligence, taste and self-esteem.

    I, for one, would never buy from your company, American Choice. Your message that readymade frames are the holy grail that custom framers have been seeking, is as laughable as your antics.

    As for closed corners -- big deal. Who needs 'em. Every frame has a closed corner when you're not holding it in your hand and incpecting it from a foot away. The last thing custom framers need to do is to further reduce profit by paying someone else to chop and join our frames. No thanks.

    We all find your pollysyllabic buffoonery and malaprops amusing, in a second-rate circus clown sort of way. However, for you to wave a flag and call your company American Choice while selling frames made by workers in Romania earning pennies a day, is disengenuous, and an insult to all Americans. American Choice? Not really.

    Take your buffoonery, and your thesaurus, and just go away.
     
  36. surferbill

    surferbill SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    This is getting good. :popc: :popc: It's better than watching an episode of Desperate Housewives.

    What was this thread about anyway? ;)
     
  37. Emibub

    Emibub PFG, Picture Framing God

    Oh sure, I am battling this *****ly pear all by myself as everybody stands behind me. Just when I get him right where I want him you all rush in front of me and open up a can a whoop ###. Not. Very. Fair.;)
     
  38. Turnip

    Turnip CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Well I'm not happy Regis has closed, nor am I sad. I'm indifferent to the whole thing. Well.. not indifferent... "opinion neutral."

    There's an old Chinese saying, "Where there's crisis, there's opportunity."

    So I'll be at the Regis Liquidation Auction bright and early Thursday.

    SEE YOU THERE !!!
     
  39. DTWDSM

    DTWDSM SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Sorry to frankenthread the frankenthread of the frankenthread but, I have discussed this with my wife and neither one of us quite understand the sticking the thong in a doctors face thing a few pages ago.

    Does anyone know what the point was? I am wondering if I should wear a thong next time I get my cholesterol checked.

    I am done responding (I think) but I will still read. Kathy, some here don't like this phrase to be used here but YOU GO GIRL!!!
     
  40. Paul Cascio

    Paul Cascio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    You need the Decoder Ring.
     
  41. Verdaccio

    Verdaccio MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    With all the sadness going on in the world, and this thread...it's worth reflecting on the death of a very important person, which almost went unnoticed last week. Larry LaPrise, the man who wrote "The Hokie Pokey" died peacefully at the age of 93. The most traumatic part for his family was getting him into the coffin. They put his left leg in. And then the trouble started...
     
  42. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I wonder if his epitaph will be That's what it's all about.
    :cool: Rick
     
  43. Whynot

    Whynot SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer


    A teacher is always a teacher, that is a master. Did you stop teaching beginners how to frame and embraced lexicon classes instead?




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    Did I?!? Give a quote please. I suspect that you read my every third line and feel in the blanks with your vain wishes.

    Did I? Did I blame somebody else for saying that you are not on my clients list and stay no chance to ever make it there as you personify that "SINGLE grumbler [who] dismissed them as trinkets and I am OK with that since he's a teacher of what he doesn't know how to make himself" not a buyer.
    Like an authentic bufoon you waste your attacks in most ridiculous ways. It's like pretending to bring down Donald Trump by showing the world that he's pennyless and you are the only one to know it. He-he-he!! People enjoy your act, Paul! Encore-Encore!


    You indeed stayed away, and not reading on this thread. While you were still away some of your specators had reproached me that I undermine my selling chances as if I came here to sell. But I trust your jugement better because you are a teacher and must know better. I must start selling in order to convince you that I am not here to sell any frame but to learn (from everybody, including you and Kathy)?


    Is that a premonition of yours or your New Year Resolution?

    May I quote your appreciation in the future? Perhaps beginners to framing want to establish your credentials.


    Now I pretend royalties as you are using my theme. :)

    We all find your conversation fool of platitudes and most noticeable of lies. Be careful because envy is a fatal wound.
     
  44. Turnip

    Turnip CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I envy the free time some people have. :shrug:
     
  45. Paul Cascio

    Paul Cascio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    American Choice -- Made in Romania! Quote me anytime.
     
  46. Steph

    Steph SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    woohooooo! 15 more days till Spring, everyone get out your thongs!
     
  47. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Interpersonal Relationship Philosophy 101

    Cornel, you leave the impression that you consider only a few Grumblers to be above mediocrity. That is, worthy of your respect. I submit that you should take a more comprehensive view of the rest. You may see only mediocrity, but a person's excellence may exist just beyond your view. You are quick to condemn us for what you consider to be our weaknesses and failures, while completely ignoring our strengths and successes. Most of us have both.

    You seem like the college freshman who gets drunk every night in celebration of his new-found freedom do so. He now has freedom to do many wonderful and beneficial things for himself and others, yet he chooses to take up a particularly destructive behavior that was previously forbidden to him.

    If he were smart, he would realize there were reasons his parents forbade him to abuse alcohol, but he considers their rules unworthy of his respect. He thinks his obligation to remain sober expired along with his parents' control.

    Others around him, who are rightfully intolerant of his drunken tirades, care not to justify his destructive behivior, regardless of his masked attributes.

    Cornel, most of us who have seen your products recognize that you are good at something, and you are right. America is a meritocracy and nobody wants to take away your accomplishments.

    However, we also realize that you are not good at something else. Please consider that everyone else here is good at something and would like to be recognized for that, instead of being criticized for what you perceive to be a weakness or failure. Introspectively, would you like us to praise your good, or to condemn your bad? The ancient advice still applies: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    People like your company and your products, there's no question about that. But that is not you, exactly. What is it that people like of you, as a person? It seems we are missing that.
     
  48. surferbill

    surferbill SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    DTWDSM, Don't feel bad. I'm still trying to figure out this Whynot gem.

    (WhynotQUOTE)You are Bill and you are getting a little gleefull over your dad loosing his job because it's just fair that he too feels how much it hurts to wish for a bycicle and be getting a new pijama instead as present for Easter. He was pretending to be short of money, now he really is!
    You vented, now you feel better and can go to bed. Don't forget to clean wash your teeth, Bill!(QUOTE)

    I've had a code cracking team from the CIA trying to deciher this post for me, with no luck so far. Maybe another grumbler can explain it to me? ;)
     
  49. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Here, let me help...

    Interpretation:
    Cornel compares you to a child who is gleeful that his dad lost his job, because now the child thinks Dad will understand his disappointment in getting pajamas and not a new bike for Easter. Dad said he couldn't afford the bike then, and now he really can't! The "clean wash your teeth" thing was only embellishment to emphasize the childishness of such thinking.

    Analysis:
    Irrelevance to the topic and inaccuracy of the analogy notwithstanding, it's purely poop of the bull.
    :popc:
     
  50. Jerry Ervin

    Jerry Ervin PFG, Picture Framing God

    All I can say is WOW!

    :popc:
     
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