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Round Shadowbox?

Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by bruce papier, Feb 8, 2014.

  1. bruce papier

    bruce papier CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I have a customer who needs a round shadowbox 24 inches in diameter and maybe 3 1/2 inches deep. We looked at In Line, but their frames were running more than she wanted to spend. Any other suggestions?
     
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  2. j Paul

    j Paul PFG, Picture Framing God

    Bruce, sorry I don't have a suggestion for you other than that your customers expectations are not going to match reality if she thinks IL's are too expensive. What is her expected budget for this 24" round shadowbox frame? Knowing that might help others to lead you...
     
  3. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    I'm in agreement. Inline Ovals would be entry level budget for this project. Circular shadowboxes have their own particular challenges and are not for the feint of heart nor short of budget.
     
  4. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Of course it's more than she wants to spend. Offer her a rectangular shadowbox, instead.
     
  5. couture's gallery

    couture's gallery PFG, Picture Framing God

    Rectangular with oval matts maybe??
     
  6. bruce papier

    bruce papier CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Yeah, it's going to be a rough project to bring in on budget. I don't know what she's looking to spend. I think even a square shadowbox at that depth is going to be tough to find at a low enough price (if at all). She wants to frame a bowl. I haven't seen it yet.

    Thanks for the effort.
     
  7. EllenAtHowards

    EllenAtHowards PFG, Picture Framing God

    I would sell her a plate hanger, which I would modify to fit on her wall. But she'd have to bring it in...
     
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  8. EllenAtHowards

    EllenAtHowards PFG, Picture Framing God

    The Predominant Rule for Customers:

    You can either be demanding or you can be cheap. You can't be both.
     
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  9. Ylva

    Ylva SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Well, not sure how heavy said bowl is, but how about experimenting with some hat boxes?
     
  10. FM Framer

    FM Framer CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    How about a round shadowbox that doubles as a table? (this was for a retiring U.S. Air Force officer): Table top shadowboc for the Ltc.jpg
     
  11. JWB9999999

    JWB9999999 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Could use a plate/bowl hanger for it on the wall, and then hang an empty frame around it to outline it. I have something done like that in my house.
     
  12. Pat Murphey

    Pat Murphey SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    One of these is perfect for a bowl:

    [​IMG]
     
  13. bruce papier

    bruce papier CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I like the vitrine idea. If it were mine, that's what I'd do. The lady was in again today and all the ideas I had were going to be too expensive. I'm kind of glad because she informed me the bowl is worth in the neighborhood of $5000.
     
  14. j Paul

    j Paul PFG, Picture Framing God


    Well of course - she has a $5000. bowl and wants a way to display it safely on the cheap. :icon45:
     
  15. Drop Bear

    Drop Bear Grumbler

    Well you cut 2 pieces of 2-3mm thick plywood at the desired depth one a bit narrower than the other( to create a step), measure the circumfrence of the job put it the rebate then glue the 2 together with a joins in different places to each other must be in the frame so that size is right, voila done. Also clamp the two pieces together.
     
  16. AMBROSINA

    AMBROSINA Grumbler in Training

    I also have a 25" round shadowbox (from In-Line). Does anyone have a good method for making mat spacers for this project?
     
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  17. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    I don't know if they do or not, but you might try asking Inline if they also make formed spacers. Out of whatever wood stuff they use.
     
  18. AMBROSINA

    AMBROSINA Grumbler in Training


    Good point - I'll talk to them on Monday
     
  19. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    When this thread started more than three years ago, I had not yet developed matboard frames. But since then, I've built several of them. A CMC is required....

    Design the frame size and shape, and cut multiple layers of matboard with the machine's 90-degree cutting head. When you create the design, be sure to cut at least the top two layers with opening dimensions at least 1/2" smaller perimeter, in order to make the frame's lip. Also, you can cut recesses for hanging hardware on the back. I use Corel Draw and export the cutting file to Valiani V Studio.

    After you cut the layers, glue them together using starch paste, prepared wet-mounting paste (such as VacuGlue or SureMount), or simply wallpaper paste. Be sure to align the layers perfectly and dry them under terrific weight for a day or two. Then, fill the edges with wall-spackle or patching plaster, sand, and finish as you like.

    Using this CMC-cutting technique, I guess you could make shadowboxes of almost any shape and size. The most challenging one I built (before I sold my shop) was 16x20 in the shape of a football. I also cut frames shaped like an apple, a baseball (including V-grooves to create stitching), and a heart.

    Use your imagination.
     
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  20. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Great to know. Only, I'd better use Dirk's imagination for all this. Mine gets me in trouble. hahahahaha
     
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  21. FM Framer

    FM Framer CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Use your imagination - that is the key!

    And/or.......find a very good woodworking hobbyist and see if they will "work" within/ close to the desired budget..... Those with very very low operating costs that have the tools or tooling may be able to help.

    You might check to see if there is a local makerspace/community workshop in your area - where you may find other avenues for your box and so much more.
    I've been a member of the Dallas Makerspace for about 24 months now, and there is a fair amount of great talent there, and the workshop (not just the wood shop) is a great resource for those unusual projects that appear. I do 3D printing there for various specialty mounts that I custom design & make. I've made extra deep shadow box materials there. Yesterday I had a customer ask for display boxes for two acoustic guitars - tough to find 5" deep walnut moulding for those boxes from any vendor.
    For those that are curious about what a "makerspace" can be:
    www.dallasmakerspace.org
     
  22. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    True that :)
    Note that if you are making a round or oval-shaped matboard shadowbox, you might still be able to use square or rectangular glass/acrylic glazing - just design the outer perimeter large enough to accommodate the shape of the glazing, including at least 1/2" of board beyond the corners of the glazing...hope that makes sense.
     
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  23. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Like with a spandrel frame?
     
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