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Praise Starbucks moving in across the street from me

Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by Puppiesonacid, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Puppiesonacid

    Puppiesonacid SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Different parking lot, but lots of visibility from there to here being its a straight shot.

    Someone once told me being near a starbucks and wholefoods is great for a frame shop.

    Guess i will find out.

    Bad for the local coffee shop though in the same parking lot... other side of shopping center.
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  2. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I have a Starbucks across the side street from me. You can easily see my shop when sitting by their window. It's definitely good for visibility, as you serve a similar demographic. Plus, it serves as a good landmark when describing to a new customer how to find you. Plus, you can get coffee there.
    :icon11: Rick
  3. cjmst3k

    cjmst3k SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

  4. Dave

    Dave SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    We have a large regional grocery store with a deli and a Starbucks inside with an outdoor seating area in our center across from me and slightly down. It is a MAJOR draw 24/7.
  5. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Got a coffee shop opposite me. Not Starbucks but an indie one. Next to that a Chinese takeaway, a pub and a cafe. No one is gonna starve or go thirsty in this locality. :thumbsup: To my mind the more shops the better. I wouldn't even lose sleep if another framer opened next door. I could send them all the headbangers. :nuts:
  6. EMcBride

    EMcBride SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Better than saying, "we're right behind the Wienersnitzel" like we get to do.


    However it's spelled.
  7. KPF

    KPF CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    There's a Starbucks a block from my shop.
    I spend a lot of money there.

    ... Good luck:kaffeetrinker_2:
  8. blackiris

    blackiris SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    They put a Starbucks in right off the freeway in a town south of us.
    Its a 20,000 person town......... and it closed!!!!
    I have no idea what that means... but it could not make the numbers. :icon11:
  9. idakendall

    idakendall Guest

    Our downtown Starbucks tends to attract all of the "recovery home" guys looking to meet and use the wifi. They are typically unemployed 20-something males, so they aren't the clientele we are looking for. :icon9: There are a couple of fantastic indie coffee shops nearby and they tend to draw more of the crowd we want.

  10. John Ranes II CPF GCF

    John Ranes II CPF GCF SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer


    I hit our Starbucks at least 3-4 times a week as it is conveniently located closed to the shop as I come from the Gym in the morning....


    This picture was posted on our business FB Page with a thank you note!

  11. Bob Carter

    Bob Carter SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    these guys spend a ton o' bucks researching optimal locations. their history looks awfully good at site locations and many, many framers use their services on a regular basis.

    an 'undesirable' clientele? don't have much 'investor quality info, but friend owns a nice chunk of stock and he's pretty happy. a client that spends $6-7 on a cup of coffee might be a little 'less price resistant' than the average consumer that probably list frame shops as 'uber-expensive'

    may i make an easy recommendation?

    Ask every client that comes in to your shop (desireable demo) in the next week three questions and keep track on notepad after they leave

    1 where is the closest Starbucks
    2 where is the closest indie coffee house
    3 where is the closest other frame shop

    answer those mentally to yourself before you go further but substitute tailor for frame shop

    what do you guess responses of who might know?

    my less than empirical 'guess' would be of those response:

    1 Most
    2 Not many
    3 Hardly any

    Bottom line: Hitchike off those that know more than you.
  12. EllenAtHowards

    EllenAtHowards PFG, Picture Framing God

    We don't mention that we are next door to the palm reader. And the Locked Door, which sells naughty clothes and toys, used to be on the other side. They moved, though. Wonder what 'memorable' business will move in?
  13. artfolio

    artfolio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I must admit I hadn't thought of coffee shops as a drawcard but, thinking about it, the pickup in my business coincided with an upmarket coffee/lunch/gourmet providore opening over the road. They are expensive compared to other coffee shops around here but well patronised by the kind of people who aren't afraid to spend money for quality - in other words, the kind of people who make good framing customers.

    I must go over there and buy a cup to help him stay in business.
  14. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I was lucky. When I bought my building in 1996 there was a small house with a large oak tree in front on the opposite corner. Within a couple of months of my opening the house came down and up went a 3-unit commercial building with Starbucks on the end closest to me, a Kinko's (now FedEx) on the other end, and an "artisan" bread and sandwich shop (now a catering company) in between. I used to occasionally get lunch at the sandwich place and have never used the catering company, but I make prodigious use of the other two businesses. Great neighbors to have.
    :cool: Rick
  15. Paul Cascio

    Paul Cascio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Once you pay $5 for a cup of coffee, framing seems like a bargain.
  16. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I bought coffee at Starbucks once. That's the end of the story since I will never do it a second time.
  17. Ylva

    Ylva SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    LOL! We get a week's worth of coffee for that amount, brewed to perfection...with our own coffeemaker
  18. Puppiesonacid

    Puppiesonacid SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    at starbucks your paying for the sugar and flavors they add to the coffee... the coffee isn't even the biggest part of most of the drinks they sell unless you get straight coffee.

    There are some good drinks I like there, and are about the same price as anywhere else for about the same thing. but straight coffee i make on my own with a french press.
  19. EMcBride

    EMcBride SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    We think a gentlemen's massage parlor moved in two doors down. Talk about poor location scouting, the store between us is a knitting/yarn store. The majority of their clientele is nosy blue haired ladies.

    Can't wait for the sting operation
  20. Artrageous

    Artrageous PFG, Picture Framing God

    Do you know if they are taking applications?
  21. EMcBride

    EMcBride SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

  22. John Ranes II CPF GCF

    John Ranes II CPF GCF SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer


    The element to extract from this conversation is not what you drink but what your potential customers might drink! Hence the significance of location....

    I also have a Kuerig machine in our shop and brew at home....but I still stop for a Latte at Starbucks and recognize that what we have in common with them is two things....

    - We both provide an experience.


    - We both appeal to customers with discerning taste.

  23. artfolio

    artfolio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    This may be slightly off-topic but Starbuck's penchant for exotic flavourings reminded me of this bit of coffee philosophy:

    You should only need four words to order a cup of coffee and one of them is "please".
  24. Puppiesonacid

    Puppiesonacid SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Maybe I don't know how to use a kuerig machine, but I can't stand the coffee that comes out of them... and i am pretty sure user error is small :)

    I have no idea what the big draw is to them except ease of use.
  25. Bill Henry-

    Bill Henry- SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Maybe the yarn shop is a front.

    Maybe the blue haired ladies are running the massage parlor. :shrug:
  26. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    My customer's daughter owns a coffee shop in our downtown. Several years ago,
    a Starbucks opened in the same building, about fifty feet away. I've admired that
    fact that she's been able to not only stay in business, but thrive. I think her secret
    has been to offer more than just coffee, including tea, pastries, and lunchtime soup.
    She also has a very different interior design, dark, cozy and welcoming, that invites
    people to come spend awhile. Everyone from high school kids to old fogeys likes to
    go there, and I enjoy seeing teenagers still playing chess.
  27. blackiris

    blackiris SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I absolutely hate antiques..... but I'm so glad I'm next to an antique shop and not the work out place anymore. People love antiques and to browse. Its a draw.....
    Now if they would only put a cupcake shop in next door!! :D
  28. Paul Cascio

    Paul Cascio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I could not agree more. Worst coffee ever, IMO. Is it that much work to put water and a scoop of coffee in a traditional coffee maker?
  29. EMcBride

    EMcBride SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Uhh no. The yarn show ladies is who brought it to our attention.
  30. Ylva

    Ylva SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    AHA! And how did they know????? ;)
  31. David N Waldmann

    David N Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    First off, you missed the clean-up part of the cycle. That takes longer than making it.

    Secondly, the biggest problem with a traditional coffee maker is that it takes essentially the same time to make 12 cups as it does 4.

    Thirdly, 4 cups is about the least you can make. If it's just for you and you only want 1 "cup" (i.e. 2 "coffee cups"), do you just dump the rest?

    Lastly, I don't know where you're getting your K-Cups from, but I happen to think that it's as good as most home brewed coffee and better than almost any of the local "convenience" stores. Unless you're trying to make a Travel Mug size from a single K-Cup.
  32. Paul Cascio

    Paul Cascio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I have very discriminating taste buds. :) And large coffee mugs.
  33. David N Waldmann

    David N Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Well, K-Cups are not going to give you the BEST coffee, I agree. My personal preference is espresso made from freshly ground beans, but that cleanup takes so long I don't spoil myself with it too often.

    The best thing about K-Cups is that they are quick, easy and consistent. I've found a few varieties that I like and stick with them. I'm the only one who drinks coffee at home, and almost never drink more than one cup at a time. I also have a Keurig in my office at work, for the occasional after lunch pick-me-up.
  34. Ylva

    Ylva SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

  35. cvm

    cvm PFG, Picture Framing God

    I like the stuff at the gas station c-store that's been cooked down to it's concentrated essence.
  36. Puppiesonacid

    Puppiesonacid SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

  37. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    We have a regular 12-cup drip brewer. When I want a single cup, though, I just use the same type of filter with one of these:


    We have an electric kettle which heats water very quickly and has auto shutoff when ready. It takes no more time to make a nice cup of coffee this way than with a keurig.
    :kaffeetrinker_2: Rick
  38. Ylva

    Ylva SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I would agree with you, but the machine we got comes very very close to that. Am not all that fond of coffee presses myself.
  39. EMcBride

    EMcBride SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Ylva, that thing looks like it belongs in space.
  40. David N Waldmann

    David N Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Interesting. On the other end of the spectrum, you can get very high flavor with less caffeine by using high pressure and low contact time, aka espresso...
  41. Puppiesonacid

    Puppiesonacid SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    mm... haven't thought of that... but yea... im sure the machines that do that cost a good fortune. i had a lower priced one, but it was a pain and you had to watch it the whole time to make sure it didn't over pressurize.
  42. Ylva

    Ylva SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Well duh! I AM an alien. Legal though.
  43. EMcBride

    EMcBride SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Ahhhhh. That explains a lot
  44. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Warning: Tim Horton's is poised to invade the USA.

    OK so now that we're on the subject of coffee itself, let me warn my American friends about the Tim Horton's dishwater: up here in Canada there's a chain selling something in the neighbourhood of coffee. Word has it that they fill the cup with hot water, cream and three sugars, then wave a coffee bean over it.

    You have been warned.

    Don't believe me? In every blind taste test, their coffee has ranked dead last.
  45. Artrageous

    Artrageous PFG, Picture Framing God

    I don't drink coffee regularly so I'm no aficionado, but isn't a Keurig machine just a glorified instant coffee maker?

    The coffee doesn't steep long enough and the water isn't hot enough to make a quality cup of coffee.
  46. idakendall

    idakendall Guest

    "an 'undesirable' clientele?"-

    I'm sure it's not the same everywhere.. but the Starbucks in our downtown is totally a yuck magnet. Maybe these guys do spend $4 - $5 on a coffee, but that's cheap compared to what they used to spend on other "mood enhancers". lol :shutup: The unit directly next to that Starbucks has been occupied by 4 different stores since it opened, so 'Bucks didn't help them out any (one was verizon, one a game/movie store, one restaurant that didn't last long enough to try and now a Chipotle). Now, the Starbucks on the west end of town is in with bb stores like Walmart, Big Lots, etc. I'm sure they all do fine. The newest one just opened in a derelict strip mall on the east side of town in a Wendy's location that failed. Maybe they will bring some life to the dead strip mall with their powerful presence? It's yet to be seen.

    As to Keurig - some people LOOOOOOOOVE those things. We have one in our store and customers are enchanted by it.
    I brew my witches' brew in back and let the Kustomers have the Keurig. :kaffeetrinker_2:
  47. Puppiesonacid

    Puppiesonacid SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I have thought long and hard on doing something like that, but just can't bring myself to see people spill it or drop it on their picture they brought in... let alone spill it on the floor in the showroom.
    I guess one way I will know I am getting more customers from starbucks is if they all bring their cups in from it while picking frames.
  48. Bob Carter

    Bob Carter SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    yep, this thread has gone astray

    we have a K cup machine and not sure what the machine has to do with the quality/taste of the coffee

    we use it because Sandy loves the organic, freshly ground beans at Sprouts at about agazillion dollars a bag. It has about 13 words in the name. Me? I'm a Yuban guy. She thinks I'm drinking the by-product of a radiator flush and isn't about to waste any grounds of hers on me. Sometimes I'll buy the pre-made cups just to experiment-some good, some not so good, again, not the fault of the machine

    She pops her pre measured container in, 60 secs later she sipping Nirvana. i rinse it out put in my Yuban (while she condenscendly sneers) and we're both happy. want another cup? Repeat step 1

    Nothing down the sink, no filling the landfill with grounds and filters-okay, grounds

    but our good friend John makes the salient point

    it's not about what we drink (our like or think) but what our clients do. and, that my friends is Marketing 101
  49. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Freak of Nature

    All you guys next to coffee shops must have noticed this oddity - I certainly have -

    People with coffee from the local coffee joint can't read.

    How do I know this? Because they walk right by the sign outside our mini-mall asking them to keep their beverages outside.

    And coffee stains are almost impossible to remove.
  50. Ken R.

    Ken R. CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I am smack next to a McDonalds drive thru....my sign is clearly visible while they are waiting to move forward, and I probably get at least one new customer a month that way,

    I use a 40 year old Avocado percolator I got for ten bucks on ebay,, I love the coffee from a percolator.
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