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Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by samcrimm, Jun 22, 2018.

  1. samcrimm

    samcrimm CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    So what are you guys using for your name etc on the back of the frame?

    I am using a copy of my business card on just plan white lazier labels.


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  2. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    I have about 200+ different labels I use that I print on Avery 5160 labels ( 1" x 2 5/8") on my inkjet.

    I try to match the label to what the customer is buying. Since much of my work is framing sports newspapers (World Series, Super Bowl, etc), I create a new label every time a major winner wins a title. I have had positive comments from customers when they buy a frame for, say, a Cubs frame and the label matches what they have bought. I also have a bunch for general purpose frames.

    I have one basic label and change the image in each new label. Here are a few.






    I have to create the frame images for my site and Etsy so using them for labels is a simple extension of that. The label is a simple Photoshop layout and I print them in a Word Avery template.
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  3. samcrimm

    samcrimm CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    sams framing with red wings bigger letters no black back ground.jpg Now that is a great way of doing it Larry! I was at home last night when I posted this question and didn't have a image to up load.
    Here is what I use.


  4. JWB9999999

    JWB9999999 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I have oval gold foil labels made, with my logo and shop info in black.
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  5. Frances M.

    Frances M. CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    We have ours printed by stickershop.com. Had used a local printer but wasn't happy with the paper they used.
  6. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I have a question for Larry & Sam. Your labels look great and I really like what Larry is doing but why no address on your labels?

    My label is a round gold foil with black printing, old school but simple, clean, & professional looking. My company name, address, phone number, and email address is on the label. When I get to the shop I will take a picture and upload it. I have gotten many jobs because of my label so I personally believe all pertinent information pays to be on the label.
  7. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    I'm online only so no need. Don't have my address on my website either although a quick Google will find it. I don't want people showing up out of the blue. No phone number either but that's mostly because of my hearing.
  8. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Understand Larry. I was just wondering if there is a way that we can get by without the information that I have on my label just in case something changes like address or phone.

    Here is a photo of my label:

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  9. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    Good looking label.

    If it was mine, I would make a couple of changes the next time you get them printed. The words "Phone:", "Email:", and "Web:" aren't needed. If people can't understand the context without the words, I wouldn't worry about them.

    You also might leave off the "www.". jbframing.com is just as good.

    As an aside: one of my pet peeves in the olden days was listening to a radio commercial and the announcer would say: "and come see us at doubleYou doubleYou doubleYou dot ................." What a waste of radio space and the advertisers money - and my time. :mad: If a site doesn't resolve from the name without the "www.", the site isn't setup properly.

    Since you are appointment only, you might leave off the address and phone number. They are on your home page so if they change, you only need change your home page. Or not. You will miss the Troglodytes and Luddites.
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  10. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Thanks Larry - all comments make a lot of sense. Next time I print the labels most of your suggestions will be incorporated. :)
  11. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    I have other labels that I use. I will cover one set of them in this post.

    I have a lot of repeat business and many times a customer will want to order the same frame as before. Not a problem in my Etsy shop as they can easily look it up in their order history. Not so on thePaperFramer. I don't provide a lookup for previous orders so I used to get a lot of emails asking about what they had ordered in the past so I started putting a second label on the back to show what it was.

    I offer three types of frames on thePaperFramer.

    The first is a simple Value Frame which includes the frame, acid-free backing and acrylic; FF3 standard with P99, OP3 or OP3/P99 as an upgrade.

    The second is the Value Frame Conservation Option which start with a Value Frame and adds Frame Sealing Tape, a Mylar sheet to go between the art and the glazing, rag mat foam core instead of acid-free and OP3 or OP3/P99. FF3 and P99 are not options for the Conservation Option.

    Finally I offer my Changeable Frame which includes Crescent Select double mats (their choice), a 4 mil Mylar Sleeve to hold their ephemera and a foam core sink mat for the Mylar Sleeve to sit in as well as all the acrylic options.

    I use one the following labels for this:




    I use my own numbering system for my mouldings so this might be applicable to some of you but I throw it out there. Since I started doing this the number of emails about previous order has decreased significantly.

    I do have a bunch of other labels that I use for other purposed. I will show them in a future post.
  12. samcrimm

    samcrimm CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    sams framing with red wings LOW RES.jpg Rubber stamp for frame specs.jpg So I didn't post the exact label it was too big. Here it is in the low res version.
    I also just order a self inking rubber stamp for putting on the foam cord under the dust cover. Gives the specs. With my label on the dust cover I will know where to look.
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  13. samcrimm

    samcrimm CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Larry, I like your set up and labeling. So tell me about the 4mil mylar? Do you slip the ephemera in them? And then mount the mylar?
  14. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    The Mylar Sleeve is used to encapsulate and protect the ephemera. I have sizes for everything from comics, magazines, comic art, newspapers, posters and more. I stock sizes from 7x10 1/2 up to 21x36; 20 different sizes altogether.

    The Mylar sleeves aren't mounted. They sit in a foam core sink mat. The back of the frame can be opened at any time and the Mylar Sleeve removed for reading or swapping in a different item.

    Here is some pictures from very early in my site's history, circa 2001 showing the first two issues of Playboy being swapped in a frame.


    Here are the first two issues of Playboy; the value of the two issues is about $2K. A collector might have many issues stored, encapsulated and protected in Mylar sleeves. As long as the issues are the same size, they can be swapped in and out of the frame at will.


    Here is an issue being removed from the frame. Note the sink mat that the Mylar Sleeve sits on.


    Here is the new issue after insertion in the frame.


    And the final result after the swap.


    Here is a view of a piece of comic art in it's Mylar Sleeve with the sink mat a little more visible. I have a lot of collectors that use my frames to rotate their collections on their walls.

    This changeability is the reason I started my site in 2001. At some point before I became a framer, I owned every issue of Playboy. They were all stored in Mylar Sleeves. I went to a framer to get some framed. I wanted to be able to rotate them at any time. What I ended up with is an issue in it's Mylar Sleeve sealed in a frame with no way for me to remove it. I documented it on my site at https://www.thepaperframer.com/TraditionalFraming.php. The framer I went to told me their was no way to have it removable. I decided he was full of you know what. Not an indictment of framers in general, just a recognition that this type of framing required something different and I decided to find a method to do it. And I did.

    I was just ending a long (almost 10 years) Contract Programming gig on Wall Street. Living in PA made for a too tiring existence with the long commute so after the contract ended, I went to Paul Cascio's school, bought a bunch of equipment, wrote my website and started selling frames for ephemera.
  15. samcrimm

    samcrimm CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    **** Larry that is slick as all get out!
    Thanks for sharing!!

    Love learning something new,

  16. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    How did you come to hinging the mat along the bottom edge? That's an interesting thing.
  17. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    Actually there is no hinging, at least in the framing sense. What you see is the back cover hinged to the sink mat. The art sits in the sink mat and can be removed at any time. In the picture you can see the mats which are sized slightly smaller than the art and then the sink mat attached to the mats. The sink mat is sized to the size of the Mylar sleeve and the thickness of the art and is larger than the mat opening. A typical sink mat is 3/16" thick, but I've done them up to 3/4" thick. It depends on the thickness of the item. The Mylar Sleeve sits on the bottom ledge of the sink mat and isn't attached to the frame or mats in any way. The hinged back cover closes to secure the Mylar Sleeve in place and is held in place by turn buttons on the back.

    I never see what they are framing (well almost never). The customer orders the frame and specifies the hight, width and thickness of what they are framing. I make the frame and the mats/sink mat/Mylar Sleeve package and they install their item when they get the frame.
  18. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Larry, your sinkmount for the magazine looks a lot like the Platform Mount I developed in 2008 for mounting flat paper items. It's fast, compact, non-invasive, non-adhesive, easy for users to open/re-close, and cheap. I cut them using my CMC and use them for all sorts of flat papers. Document frame customers love 'em.

    Please excuse the frankenthreading; Now, back to the dustcover label topic...

    For years I have printed my own dustcover labels on typical 2" x 4" Avery (or similar) rounded-corner address labels using a color laser printer. The labels include the company logo, phone, email, street and web addresses; date of completion; Work Order number; check-boxes to indicate attributes of glazing, mounting, matting, fitting; and a space for signature of the final inspector (fitter/finisher).
  19. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    My customers have also loved mine since 2001. :)

    One of the reasons I never bought a CMC is that my sink mats can range in depth from 1/8" up to 3/4" (and more if needed). Back when I looked at CMCs, none could cut that kind of depth.
  20. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Most modern CMCs can cut 3/16" foam board and 8-ply matboard, and some will cut up to 12-ply. Multiple board layers can be glued together - especially handy using wet paste in the vacuum press.
  21. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    I'm sure its changed since I last looked (circa 2005), but CMC's then couldn't do straight cuts, only 45 degree cuts.

    With thicker sink mats, my Chromomat can cut up to 3/8". I modified an extra blade holder for this. Beyond that, I ATG the layers and put them under glass and weights for 24 hours to make sure there is a good bond.

    I use the ATG, glass, weights and 24 hour method for all mat and sink mat combos.
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  22. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Yes, a lot has changed. My 2007 Valiani has straight cutters for paperboards up to 12-ply, foam boards up to 3/16", fluted polypropylene (Coroplast) up to 4 mm and PVC sheeting (Sintra) up to 1/8". It also has 40-degree and 45-degree cutters for beveled edges up to 12-ply, as well as 3 debossing heads and the MatStylus, which can draw with most common pens & pencils.

    In my limited experience, ATG can fail over time, no matter how well it is initially activated. Any hard-setting glue, such as frame glue or dustcover glue (cheap, acid-free, and my favorite for boards) costs a fraction of ATG and will never fail. Place 1/8" dots about 4"-6" apart all around the perimeter, then setup under weight for 3-5 minutes before proceeding with the mount.
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  23. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    Any recommendations for dust cover glue? Don Mar carries dust cover adhesive and fabric mount glue. They don't list the manufacturer but by their part numbers (KTDCA-45 and KTFMAG) I suspect they might be from Kool Tack.

    I have wanted to try ATG Turbo Glue but can't find anyone that carries it.
  24. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Some years ago I learned that if I mention the brand name of my favorite product, one or two people will claim I'm endorsing it only for money, which has never been true, although several suppliers have sponsored my classes and sell my books. Anyway, the harassment stopped when I quit emphasizing my favorite brands.

    But this time it probably wouldn't matter because, to my knowledge, all domestic brands of dustcover glue come from the same source. ATG Turbo is made by Tack One Technologies, the makers of Kool Tack. A few years ago it was simply called "Dustcover Glue", but the formula has been improved since then.

    If the Don Mar dustcover glue is from this source, the formula is probably the same as ATG Turbo, which you can buy from Frame Specialties in Elkhart, Indiana and several other popular framing distributors. But if you can buy the Don Mar glues conveniently and if they work for you, I say buy them.
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  25. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I love the ATG Turbo glue. It took only a short time to get used to using it, and now it is just as quick to use as ATG, but is far less expensive. The consistency of the newer version is just right, and it is not at all messy. I buy it through my local International Distributor.
    :cool: Rick
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