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Strip-Lining With Beva

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by shayla, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    When you strip line with Beva, do you make your stretcher/strainer frame shallow enough that the double layer of fabric is past the side of that frame? Or do you ever stretch it with the overlap of two thicknesses on the side of the bars? I just did my first one, with a strainer frame 5/8" deep, so we were careful to keep the beva farther out than that all the way around the image, so the double layers wouldn't ride at the side of the canvas. Still kind of weird and bulky, fitting the rest of it into the stretching machine, but it makes sense to having only one layer on the side.

    We made a shallower strainer than usual (5/8" x 2 1/2"), because that would allow for the fabric to go past it and not double on the sides. The painting is 37 x 37, super thin acrylic, on canvas. Did so after reading here of folks using such strainers, shallower than those we usually make, on paintings with skinny border fabric.
     
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  2. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    What?

    I really don't follow your question. Well, not entirely.

    I do use thinner strainers/stretchers at times, but that is governed by the depth of the rabbet, not the margins of the canvas. Within reason, I will mill down the strainer/stretcher stock so they don't protrude from the back of the frame.
    Normally I only strip line canvases that have been painted to the edge or cut from their stretchers, and, in both cases, have no margins. Having narrow margins does require stretching by hand, but I do that anyway so strip lining is unnecessary. I have stretched canvases with less than 1/2" of margin material.

    Does that help?
     
  3. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Thanks for your note, and sorry if mine was confusing. How have you stretched them with less than 1/2"? Our stretching pliers need more, as does our stretching machine. I'd love to know how you do it.
     
  4. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    Pliers? I don't need no stinkin' pliers!
    By hand, no tools except a staple gun. I rarely use any kind of stretching tool, even pliers, as I can get canvases pretty tight with my hands, and I prefer to use tensionable stretchers so any slack can be taken out after stretching.
     
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  5. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Last night, I said, 'Wally can stretch a painting with only a half-inch margin.' Says D, "Does he want to move?' Man, there's no way I could do that with just my hands. You must be really strong. Every now and then, I stand behind him, hold my scrawny little lady arms out in front of him and say, 'What if you woke up some morning, and these were all you had to get through the day with?' The thought is nightmarish for him. lol....

    It sounds like, when you've strip-lined, the Beva has always come right up to the image?
     
  6. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    I apply the woven poly fabric to the back of the canvas, and adhere it with BEVA up to the edge or held slightly back depending on the desired results. Holding it back when using a floater frame gives you a floated edge when the stretcher is slightly undersized.
    Well, not as strong as they once were. I played a lot of racket sports and sculpted back in the day, so I did have decent forearm strength though I rarely actually worked towards strengthening myself. Most of it came from doing stuff that required a certain amount of strength. That is waning now with retirement from racquetball and arthritis beginning to set in. Also dislocated my right thumb a couple years ago, so that gets a bit tricky at times. Loading the 90 lb Standard Poodle into the cab of the pickup twice a day, and wheel-barreling* him up the steps at night are about the limit of my weight work these days.
    *He's lost a lot of the strength in his hips and can't jump up into the pickup like he once could. Also can't climb stairs without his rear end being carried by me.
     
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  7. LeMieuxGalleries

    LeMieuxGalleries CGF, Certified Grumble Framer


    Wally, I am going to be doing this tomorrow per your suggestion awhile back about my floating canvas art with NO extra fabric to wrap. What type of "woven ploy fabric" do you recommend or maybe I'll just use canvas on canvas to glue strips...any warnings or advice? Was thinking I'd use fabric or PVA glue...
     
  8. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    The poly screening that is sold by conservation supply houses is what I used with the BEVA.
    I have tried using canvas strips and fabric glue (Miracle Muck) with little success, but never really delved very deep into it.
     
  9. Andrew Lenz Jr.

    Andrew Lenz Jr. MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I'm having a hard time visualizing this. Can you explain it another way? Or provide a diagram/photo?

    Thanks!
    Andrew
     
  10. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    Sure, here ya go... IMG_1369.JPG tilt head or computer appropriately...
     
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  11. MATTHEW HALE

    MATTHEW HALE CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    which beva product are you using?
     
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  12. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Beva 371 in a 1/2" roll. https://www.talasonline.com/Beva-371-Film

    I ended up just removing the synthetic mesh strips and peeling off the Beva. Bought some cotton duck to attach, instead. The Beva peeled partly off the back of the other canvas, and partly stayed. Not sure if it never melted well in the first place, or that it did, but having to re-heat it twice more weakened it, or if something about the other canvas is incompatible. Have you ever used it to attach synthetic mesh?
     
  13. MATTHEW HALE

    MATTHEW HALE CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    never used it at all, but i think i'm about to try.
     
  14. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    I bought a roll of the wide stuff and a roll of the 1/2" a year or so ago. Used the 1/2" for the first time recently, to add cotton fabric for stretching, and it worked great. Haven't yet used a solid piece.
     
  15. MATTHEW HALE

    MATTHEW HALE CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    dunno why it's taken me so long to get into this, but after years of messing around with unsquare art with no margins to speak of and having to tack 1/4" canvas margins on the sides of too-flimsy strainers i think it's time i learned to strip line. does anyone know of any comprehensive "how -to" information (book, video, ancient scrolls, etc)?
     
  16. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    I don't, but Rob Markoff has taught a WCAF class on using Beva, (which I hope he does again). I bet he'd know.

    I found these:


    https://www.iiconservation.org/node/403


    https://www.tate.org.uk/research/pu...2/paintings-on-canvas-lining-and-alternatives

    and this, which comes with it:

    http://www.conservationsupportsystems.com/system/assets/techdocs/Beva_Film_Instructions.pdf

    There are also resources such as these. (Might not be with Beva, but it gives you an idea.)



    As you know, online guides might or might not be accurate, but I still find them helpful. One can always vet the info., gaining balance from other sources.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzY1Yh4Y-PE

    It can also be purchased from Gaylord.
     
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  17. luna

    luna Grumbler in Training

    When I strip-line paintings with Beva 371 film, I usually cut a strip of canvas/linen that is one step lighter than the original canvas/linen, and is wide enough that it extends all the way to the back of the stretcher and also into the face of the painting beyond the profile edge (where the painting is most likely to need a little extra support. For example: 3" wide strip of Beva around the perimeter of the painting, 6-8" wide strip of canvas/linen.

    For me, it depends on the work. It's important to match the original cropping of the piece, but going thinner than 7/8" or so is tricky because you need that structural stability. My preference is to give a lot of space for my canvas pliers to hold on while I pin it out to the back of the stretcher. I only stretch by hand, so I don't know about what the stretching-machine needs, but I have found that you can trim everything down on the inside to minimize bulk at your corners.
     
  18. Frances M.

    Frances M. CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I took Rob Markoff's strip lining class and will have to dig back through notes, but if I remember correctly, he did not advocate actively stretching the strip lined piece (pliers or heavy tension by hand). He advocated attaching it to keyed stretchers with an even, firm pressure and the using the keys to expand the stretcher until canvas was evenly but not overly taut.
     
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