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Opinions Wanted the joy of framing puzzles...

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by skye, May 17, 2017.

  1. skye

    skye MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Customer just came in with 3 she wants framed. They are glued together with *something* and are not very flat. I am wondering how wise it would be to try & flatten in the heat press.
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  2. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    It might work. :D

    It might not work. o_O

    It might ruin the whole thing. :(

    If you don't know what glue has been used and how it will react, you are working at a disadvantage.
  3. skye

    skye MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    tell me something I don't know. ;)
    I may call her & ask what she used to glue them. They just look icky and I am afraid DCO will a) not flatten them and b) stick to the glass. Should have been more mindful and asked when she was here but I was in the middle of 3 other projects...
  4. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Customer brought in a large puzzle covered with that mod podge stuff. Using a Hot Press, I dry-mounted it to HDF using Trimount and a slip sheet from a Drytac laminate, which was discarded after the mount.

    It worked perfectly.

    In other cases, the puzzles come in on cardboard, with nothing keeping them together. They get exactly the same treatment.
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  5. skye

    skye MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    HDF- high density fiberboard?
  6. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Yup. Masonite.
  7. Mer

    Mer True Grumbler

    It's most likely Mod Podge. When I worked at a Big Box craft store, we were recommending it for sealing puzzles. If you use it carefully enough, the puzzles should come out really nice. If you rush through it, they come out like $h!+.

    Regarding mounting. I usually used my vacuum press with colormount or single step. If customers are cheap *cough* they can use self adhesive foam-board, although it doesn't work quite as well and the puzzle may come free in the future.
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  8. skye

    skye MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I believe I have the '$h!+'....
  9. artfolio

    artfolio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I successfully glued several puzzles onto MDF using spray on contact adhesive. Not the cheap carp in spray cans but an insulation adhesive which I sprayed through a spraygun.

    My technique was to place the puzzle face-down on the bench, cut the backboard around 100mm oversized and mark where the puzzle would go. After spraying the adhesive onto the board I would then place the board glue side down onto the puzzle and press firmly with a roller. It is tricky to align it perfectly, hence the oversized board. Once the puzzle was secured a squeeze in the vacuum press finished the job.

    The hardest part was often making sure I didn't finish up having to redo a huge puzzle.:eek:
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  10. Myrna

    Myrna CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    MountCor canvas works pretty well. It is the sticky stuff on the front that I have had problems with. Even at the low temp, some of the whatever they used came off a bit and wanted to peel up some of the puzzle. It is always best if they do nothing to the front, then the MountCor is perfect.
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  11. skye

    skye MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    The sticky is totally all over the front... Next week- I am finishing up an 80 piece order for my Hotel client... and all the other little 'rushy things' that just couldn't wait. *rolls eyes*
  12. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I haven't framed many puzzles but I've done some like this....

    Pre-mount drymount film to a piece of suitable matboard, with the release paper still on the top.
    Film surface a tad smaller then the puzzle and the board big enough the form a border around. Whatever color suits. Black is as good as anything.
    Peel the release paper off when it's cooled and the carefully lay the puzzle onto the tacky film surface. If it's on a board then hold it
    over and slide one edge onto the film and gently slide the board out from under. A bit of jiggling may be necessary.
    When it's all good pop it in the press for a quick squeeze. You don't have to get it perfectly in the middle. Just as long
    as there is no film showing. When it's stuck trim the board to equalise the border.
    This way the whole puzzle is visible.
    Use spacers under the glass.
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  13. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Too much work. In all the puzzles I've done, it's Trimount and a slip sheet on top. Customers don't even get a chance to tell me they want to see the edges. They don't get to see the edges. Ted the Frame Nazi won't allow it.

    A good slip sheet will work on that modge podge goop, when the heat and pressure melt it and push it into the cracks of the puzzle.
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  14. aangles

    aangles CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    The bigger unspoken question is why frame puzzles at all...UGH. ;)
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  15. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    Ours is not to wonder why, ours is do and [STRIKE]die[/STRIKE] frame. :rolleyes:

    All of us can talk about the things we would not frame for ourselves personally but if we restricted ourselves to framing what we like, we wouldn't be around long.

    I wish the [STRIKE] option were still here. :(
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  16. aangles

    aangles CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Of course...I was being facetious. Puzzles just bug me because I don't like having otherwise great art cut up into little pieces. LOL. I never voice my personal opinions about an item to my customers; I do always try to find something complimentary to say. I wouldn't be in business if I spoke my mind on everything I didn't like! However, don't hesitate to voice my opinions on FRAMING options though...and then it's their choice. ;) [what's STRIKE?]
  17. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    When the board was using previous software, one of the editing options was [STRIKE].

    If you put [STRIKE] around some text like i did in my previous text, the text would appear with a line drawn through it.

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  18. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I think the same about guitars. :confused: It's a living thing. It will die in a frame. :(
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  19. aangles

    aangles CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Oh haha ok...the strike-through. Always did wonder what earthly use that was for...I mean, hello, just delete? :confused: But I suppose there are times.... But WAIT!! It IS still there!!! YES! NO! Click the "Insert" icon to the right left of the "Save" Icon.... WE ARE ALL GONNA LIVE DIE IN A FRAME!!!! :p
  20. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    Aha, that little bugger was hidden in plain not-so-plain sight.
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  21. aangles

    aangles CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    To add my two cents' to the puzzle discussion, I have had pretty good results drymounting both puzzle-savrd and unglued puzzles with Scotch Vac-U-Mount and a cold frame press. Release board or release paper over the face in press- no issues with the glue. Inverting the puzzle can be tricky if not glued but just sandwich and flip, spray, watch out for the oversprayed area and smooth substrate to back of puzzle, then invert again in a board sandwich, remove top board, check for loose/missing pieces, and press. Maybe a bit unorthodox but it works fine for me! The puzzle-savr glue should have some flex to it regardless of method for flattening warped puzzles.
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