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Trade show pros and cons

Discussion in 'The Voting Booth' started by BUDDY, Mar 21, 2002.

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How many framing trade shows do you attend annually?

  1. 1

    83.5%
  2. 2

    7.7%
  3. 3

    8.8%
  4. 4 or more

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. BUDDY

    BUDDY PFG, Picture Framing God

    List the good and bad features about the Framing Trade shows that you attend.
     
  2. po' framer

    po' framer MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Without attempting to deny any prurient interest, I voted for a Midwest show but the poll results say that there still aren't any Midwest show votes. [​IMG]
     
  3. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    None of the poll questions directly asked about preferences for the size of show. Some framers may prefer large, all-inclusive shows, and others may like small, regional shows.

    Also, it would be useful to know how many respondents attend classes at the shows; how many classes per show. And what classes are most needed/least needed.
     
  4. cherryp

    cherryp True Grumbler

    po'framer,
    Check again, now the poll shows 50% of the voters would like to see a MidWest Show. I for one would certainly like to see a show closer to us in the midwest.
    Hopefully in the near future something like that will happen. [​IMG]
     
  5. William Ross

    William Ross CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I answered question seven to get info posted, but I think we have to many shows and don't need to add any. I have just learned that PPFA is coming to Las Vegas with its show one week after the West Coast Art Show. Why? We don't need two shows in the same market at the same time, when will PPFA grow up and get out of the "SHOW BUSINESS" and get back to education? I hope there is such a low turn out by both vendors and framers that PPFA will learn to do what they do best--stay on the sidelines and let the pro's handle shows.
     
  6. ChrisW

    ChrisW CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    I'm within 3 hours of the two bigest cities in Canada and a population in excess of 10 million and thre hasn't been a show here for 2 years and none scheduled in the next year. I guess we're expected to go south but with a dollar worth $0.63US it gets pricey quick.

    I would love to get to one this year ( I really get energized by them ) but the $2000 it would cost me will have to go into my local marketing plan. Sigh.... [​IMG]
     
  7. po' framer

    po' framer MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    You know, Chris, a show in Toronto would essentially be a lower-cost version of a Chicago (ie, Midwest) show, maybe. I just don't know the details but it's sure a good thought.

    I always load up on 222s whenever I pass through Canada myself..... :eek:
     
  8. gemsmom

    gemsmom SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I was forced to answer #7, even though I don't think we need anymore shows. There are too many already. Also, the distance question and how many I attend I couldn't answer correctly. I go to New York every year, and Atlanta every other year, maybe. I know that if I decide to go to Las Vegas next year, I'll skip New York. I did the best I could with my answers, but it would have been better if we could have answered more than once, or not at all.
     
  9. BUDDY

    BUDDY PFG, Picture Framing God

    Jim and some others made some very useful suggestions about what didn't get asked. I honestly worried that people weren't takeing the survey because they felt it was too long.
    This is a suggestion I made to Jim:

    maybe you could start a Trade Show Poll addendum? It was a major effort for me to compile this one. Really I was just glad to see it work. I tried to ask others but I had no takers. I'd love to see all the speculation stop.
    However Edd Pratt 's Silent Majority explanation really caused me to wonder. If less than 50% of framers use the net and then not all of them are HH or TFG how many shops are not getting there opinions heard? And aren't we getting a bias picture?
    This is why I hope we get a bunch of voters and why I also hope that if there is more show trends that need exposeing I hope others will poll them . As I said I am really not compotent at this but I do want an accurate picture drawn of what the other Shops think. By this I mean ALL shops any ideas how to get non-Online shop's opinions?
    BUDDY
     
  10. Ted

    Ted CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Chris,

    I just yesterday, received an e-mail from Margaret Watson of the Bevelled Edge Magazine who informed me that they are sponsoring "Art and Framing Expo" in Toronto in October of this year. I hadn't heard anything about this...obviously you either. If I get more info, I just might attend that one.

    Ted
     
  11. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    And that's a valid concern. The questions asked were good ones.

    [QB] However Edd Pratt 's Silent Majority explanation really caused me to wonder. If less than 50% of framers use the net and then not all of them are HH or TFG how many shops are not getting there opinions heard? And aren't we getting a bias picture? [QB][/QUOTE]

    This is something like the situation with voters. Fewer than half of eligible Americans vote in any given election. Do we get a biased political picture? Probably, but what does it matter? If we dragged the non-participants into the game, that might just inject apathy and ignorance into the mix. Those who want to get involved will do so. The rest will go with the flow, or not -- but uninvolved, they won't have much effect on what happens.
     
  12. BUDDY

    BUDDY PFG, Picture Framing God

    Sorry Jim I was doing fine with your reply until your comment about

    "This is something like the situation with voters. Fewer than half of eligible Americans vote in any given election. Do we get a biased political picture? Probably, but what does it matter? If we dragged the non-participants into the game, that might just inject apathy and ignorance into the mix. Those who want to get involved will do so. The rest will go with the flow, or not -- but uninvolved, they won't have much effect on what happens."

    What I was talking about was the fact that everybody doesn't OWN a computer and/Or subscribe to an internet server.This is much different then when we all are given an opportunity to vote and just don't make the effort.We all are framers but we don't have the same ability to voice our opinions. So It would be much more representative for all(Host,Vendors, Framers) to actually know what the attending majority thinks.Especially since many of those who don't use the net do attend shows.
    However I am very pleased and privilaged to have the ability to post here and on the HH OLEX as are many others. But what Edd and the survey was trying to show is how limited the sampling is and how surpriseing that seemed.
    It's sort of like the squeking wheel gets the grease but in this case there are other wheels on the train and no one can hear them.
    BUDDY
     
  13. Merrill Grayson MCPF

    Merrill Grayson MCPF <span style="color: red"><b><i>Charter Member</i><

    Where did you get this info? It is my understanding, and their web sites show, that the WCAF is January 15-18, 2003 and the PMA/PPFA show is March 2-5, 2003.

    And as for getting back to education. When did they leave? In Orlando in February there were over 30 classes in the schedule. And this was with 2 months prep. Think what it will be like next year with a full year to prepare.

    Don't compare the PPFA of old with the PPFA of new. These people have been running trade shows for 70+ years. And they definitely know what they are doing.

    PPFA would be one of four PMA sections that hold their convention in conjunction with the PMA show. This thing is much bigger than and more than a PPFA show. Why would anyone that produces a show that attracts 28,000 attendees want to do more than one show a year. It has to be a year long job to do this one.
     
  14. BUDDY

    BUDDY PFG, Picture Framing God

    In light of the recent PMAI/PPFA Vegas show and the resulting controversy about some of the opinions about it ,ithought it might be interesting to take a second look at this Poll.
     
  15. Less

    Less SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Less than one show a year
    Less than $200 to attend
    Don't need anymore than we already have
     
  16. clifpa

    clifpa CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Hey!

    I have asked a couple of times with no response, why can't I vote? I sent an email or two to the Admin with no response?

    I was able to vote on an item or two now I can't?
     
  17. clifpa

    clifpa CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I live in Southern California and attended Atlanta, last year, Los Vegas in both January and March.

    for most classes.
    you spend $70-95 bucks and walk away with very
    little in return. Even for me, a lot of the
    clsses were too basic and the handouts were
    only good while in class. Not very good for
    referring back to when you run into a problem
    down the road.

    I took lots of classes at all but the last event.

    I think most major classes should be longer and (all) hands-on. I think that is why I'm there, to learn things that I can apply to my business, not just to gloss over the obvious.

    I think the teaching staff is excellent and know their stuff but within the limits of time there just isn't enough time to put together an in-depth hands on program. An example of a very good class was Jim Miller teaching shadowboxes. Jays class was very good also. There were a couple of others but on average...?

    I talked with a lot of folks taking classes with me and they felt pretty much the same, the class was to general, not a lot to take home.

    In this survey it would have been interesting to get feed back on what other attendees thought about the benefits of their classes? How many gold nuggets did they take home with them.

    How would they change and improve the classes.
     
  18. Framerguy

    Framerguy PFG, Picture Framing God

    Buddy,

    I am afraid that your poll is skewed by one person's vote. I tried to get into the poll to vote and couldn't. I tried again and it said that I had already voted! I never got to even see the questions until I "viewed results" which I could get into because the poll thought that I already had voted.

    Sorry to mess up the numbers but it was Kit's fault and I couldn't do anything to correct it.

    Framerguy
     
  19. BUDDY

    BUDDY PFG, Picture Framing God

    Framerguyand cliff ;this isn't a NEW Poll. I simple thought it would be interesting to have a second look at what some wanted in a Trade show .I also thought some host might find the results interesting also.
    at 69 users i suspect that most of the Grumblers that particpate in polls had done so .maybe it's been so long some of you forgot voteing or maybe the poll was so uninteresting that no one remebers it was an old one?
    BUDDY
     
  20. Framerguy

    Framerguy PFG, Picture Framing God

    Sorry Buddy,

    I never looked at the posting date. I just got excited about the subject of the poll and was upset when I couldn't vote. (Probably again!)

    (Like another Grumbler, I have the attention span of a puppy and forgot all about this poll from that far back.)

    Framerguy
     
  21. Kit

    Kit SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    In view of your memory problem, I forgive you.

    Kit
     
  22. Bogframe

    Bogframe SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Just my two cents here, but I'd really love to see the <font color=#CC0000>Chicago</font> show make a comeback...it was always my favorite!
     
  23. jframe

    jframe <span style="color: red"><b><i>Charter Member</i><

    Besides apathy, there are 2 reasons why many Grumblers didn't vote.

    1. They have to stay and keep the shop open while the owner attends the show.

    2. They don't get paid enough to go to a trade show.

    Similar reasons could be applied to some owners, with the exception that they will drive to a show for one day if they can.
     
  24. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Thanks for bringing back this poll for a fresh look, Buddy. It's interesting how a year can change one's perceptions.

    Some years ago we had good quality, smaller trade shows all over the country. But one by one, they died out because framers didn't go. Chicago, Dallas, and Toronto were among them.

    Trade show organizers hear the requests for shows in those cities & wonder, "What's changed?" Why would framers now support shows that failed just a few years ago? I guess the organizers will produce shows whenever and wherever they can do it profitably -- or at least without losing their shirts.

    We haven't heard much about the Toronto show -- anyone have a fresh report?

    Some say we have too many shows already. Do we really have too many, or are they simply scheduled poorly? Or are they in the wrong cities?

    Considering that our industry is in its third slow year, affordability is increasingly a factor. Not only for framers, but for exhibitors as well. Some simply can't pay the huge costs to exhibit, many are wondering how much of a loss they should tolerate, and few are covering costs.

    I think as the framing industry regains strength, framers will again support their trade shows in record numbers. After all, our industry is in a steep evolutionary curve unlike anything that's gone before.

    There are very good reasons to go to trade shows these days. Keeping up with devlopments in equipment, methods, materials, and business practices is more important than ever.
     
  25. tnframer408

    tnframer408 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    As a corollary to this thread: why is PPFA now NOT giving the CPA recert in Altanta, arguably the largest show in the world? I could pay $95 or so for a recert there but, bexause it isn't being held there, have to pay several hundred for a conferencecalled kinda thing. Yes I understand there are locations where I can take the recert, but none close to TN/GA

    Would love to have PPFA examine this issue and see if in future the recerts could be made part of the Altanta show
     
  26. jvandy57

    jvandy57 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Michael,
    There will be a Recert class in Lexington, KY July 20th at a place yet to be announced, it will be part of a Chapter event.
     
  27. tnframer408

    tnframer408 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Many thanks for the info, Jerry. I'll mark my calendar for that date and wait for more info.
     

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