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Opinions Wanted Use z-Gel on print on canvas

Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by NYJim, Jun 1, 2018.

  1. NYJim

    NYJim CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Hello,

    Everyone is printing on canvas now days.
    I found a jar of Z- Gel gloss finish and use it just for fun.
    Any suggestions how to use it. Any problems with time - a year later still the same effect ???

    Want to learn more and how to sell it. How to charge for it?

    Thank you
     
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  2. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    That is clear acrylic gel medium, several variations of which are available in art supply stores - various content of solids, gloss, matte, etc. It is used to condition acrylic paints.

    Acrylic gel medium is water-borne & water-soluble when wet, chemically stable when dry, resistant to yellowing or other damage from light. It should look good for many years.

    For pricing the coating of a print (not including mounting or other work), I would apply the shop labor rate to estimated amount of time to apply the gel, plus some price for the gel. For example, if the shop labor rate is $100 per hour and the job is expected to take 15 minutes, I believe a fair charge would be at least $25 for the labor plus perhaps $5 for the gel.

    In estimating the labor time, be sure to include set-up and clean-up. After applying the gel, be sure to wash out the tools (brush, spatula, whatever) immediately in warm soapy water.
     
  3. DTWDSM

    DTWDSM SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    In the last few years that i had my shop, I was going through a gallon bucket of z-gel every couple weeks, customers loved it. Not only can it give an inexpensive print a more canvas look but it is light weight so much easier for the customer to hang. It was a huge money maker for me, literally doing 20-30 pieces a week with it and i charged the same price as Conservation Glass. Dry mount the print on 3/8 foam, apply thin coat first thing in the morning and then frame it after lunch. Do multiples at the same time to save money.

    Jim's advice on washing tools immediately is very good advice
     
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  4. Andrew Lenz Jr.

    Andrew Lenz Jr. MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    If you forget or end up with too much residue, Winsor & Newton makes their non-toxic Brush Cleaner & Restorer which works wonders on dried paint including acrylic. Just avoid getting it on your brush handles!

    I'm not sure if there is much advantage to using warm water. I typically just use cold water.

    Andrew
     
  5. NYJim

    NYJim CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Thank you very much, I'm going to use on the canvas. Do you use Gloss or Semigloss? Thank you again
     
  6. Andrew Lenz Jr.

    Andrew Lenz Jr. MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I called up Golden Artists Colors in New York. Their technical support team said to use cold water for cleaning brushes, not warm. (Warm water can sometimes adversely affect the glue in the ferrule used to hold the hair in place.)

    FWIW.

    Andrew
     
  7. DTWDSM

    DTWDSM SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I used semi gloss.

    As for brushes, we cleaned up with water, cold to luke warm. When it got to the point the brushes/rollers, when they started to get a little tough from dried up z-gel, we tossed them and went to home depot and bought some more. Don't worry about getting high end brushes, they do not make a noticeable difference
     
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