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WCAF 2013

FrameMakers

PFG, Picture Framing God
I'm at home now and I can see a low price of $131 each way, at work that same flight was $221.
 

Rob Markoff

PFG, Picture Framing God
Chilax Nicole.......

Class schedules are usually posted around November 1st. Last year they were delayed a bit due to the first year coordination with PPFA. This year I think they are back on track but I would be really surprised if the schedules are any earlier than the 1st.
 

Rob Markoff

PFG, Picture Framing God
So which did you choose :)?
 

Mike Labbe

Member, Former moderator team volunteer
For me, it went up $80 per person. (from when I posted originally, until the time I called Andy to see how he was with the dates and times).

Every hour the price is slightly different. I'll try again in the morning.
 

susang

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I just got my flight on AAA.com for 139.60 round trip from Phila to LV non stop on USair. Usually it's around 400. :)
It was less on AAA.com than the US Air website, which was pretty low too. Might be worth checking out sooner than later.
Susan
 

susang

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Actually I was wrong. They had the US Air flight at around 200 or so, which I thought was amazing. They lowered the price on the USAir site too. It wasn't anything special on AAA.com. Both have the same price. :icon21:
Susan
 

Baer Charlton

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Wow.... I just penciled it out..... cost more to drive the Prius down,
than fly on Alaska.....

but shipping the new book would . . . . hmmmmm
 

HB

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
When a customer asks how much I pay for glass, I tell them it doesn't matter, and the organizers of the show probably would respond similarly. The total price represents a good value for you, the buyer, or it doesn't. As Kirstie said, we vote with our feet.
One still can wonder...just like the customer probably does.
 

HB

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Anyone want to think about 2014?

I'm assuming PFM, WCAF and PPFA is reading this thread and I'd like to say..........

I'm sick of Las Vegas, I've been there 20 times (mostly PMA/PPFA and three WCAF shows) and I long to travel to a different city.

I'm know, I know.... there are many good reasons to have a trade show in LV.

I don't care, I want to go somewhere else.

Thanks for letting me vent!

Doug
100% agreement from me...is there no where else to go??? I don't care if its more money either.
 

Mike Labbe

Member, Former moderator team volunteer
I think it would cost a lot more if it wasn't in Vegas. The cheapest flights and hotels are in Vegas. The NY and Atlanta shows cost a lot more, when we used to attend, with less to do after hours. I think the exhibit/union fees in those places were also off the chart expensive.

Besides, it's called WEST COAST art and frame expo :)

Mike

PS: I booked our flights a few mins ago.
 

Rob Markoff

PFG, Picture Framing God
Re:2014-

Don't get your hopes up about a different city, the show WILL be in Las Vegas for 2014, but at a different venue.

The show team has heard the responses re: the cost of attending/exhibiting- and while the Mirage is a "nicer" hotel, the costs of hosting the show there in 2014 would make it prohibitive-

So the show is moving to a new venue and will most likely they will be able to offer "tiered" hotel options- meaning the "show" hotel for one price, and then discounted rates at other hotels affiliated with the hotel for "options."

I am sure there will be an announcement about the new 2014 location at this year's show-
 

FrameMakers

PFG, Picture Framing God
OK, I checked Southwest again, but for grins I checked Travelocity and got a round trip on American (my preferred airline) for $161 including all taxes and fees. I have am an AA gold member which gets me free checked bags. So that is more than $100 less than the sale price at Southwest.
 

David N Waldmann

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I think it would cost a lot more if it wasn't in Vegas. The cheapest flights and hotels are in Vegas.
I've heard this before, and although it makes sense ("they attract gamblers with low airfare, hotels and food but make it up on gaming...") I don't believe it any longer. Maybe it used to be true, but case in point is this SW fare - LAS is one of the more heavily blacked out routes. Average (not deal-if-you-happen-upon-it) hotel rates are average to high, and (I know you didn't claim it Mike, but) food is ridiculously expensive in Vegas. And (pet peeve) you have to deal with casino smoke.

I'm not a frequent traveler and don't have any alternatives to offer, but I don't think the PF crowd as a whole "needs" a big/exotic/exciting city for their convention. Just a hotel with a good sized conference room relatively near a mainstream airport. There have got to be better options than Vegas.
 

Jim Miller

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I've heard this before, and although it makes sense ("they attract gamblers with low airfare, hotels and food but make it up on gaming...") I don't believe it any longer...There have got to be better options than Vegas.
You are right, David. Food is expensive in the hotel/casinos, and airlines no longer offer the consistently-good deals they once did for Las Vegas. Finding affordable airfares and hotel rates is a crapshoot these days, as shown by several posts in this thread.

As convention-city venues go, Las Vegas is probably still better than most. There are plenty of after-hours activities for those who want to combine the trade show with a vacation or take in a show or two, but a lot of framers are just happy to attend the show events, eat and sleep cheap, and then go home.

Framing conventions involve only a few thousand people. That's not big. What if the show were staged in a mid-size city nearer the middle of the country - or the continent? Last weekend I attended the Upper Midwest Art & Frame Show, a regional PPFA event. It was held at the Mystic Lake Casino, half-an-hour away from the Minneapolis airport. Could it handle a crowd our size? I don't know, but a place of that sort might work well.
 

Kirstie

PFG, Picture Framing God

Kirstie

PFG, Picture Framing God
Re:2014-

Don't get your hopes up about a different city, the show WILL be in Las Vegas for 2014, but at a different venue.

The show team has heard the responses re: the cost of attending/exhibiting- and while the Mirage is a "nicer" hotel, the costs of hosting the show there in 2014 would make it prohibitive-

So the show is moving to a new venue and will most likely they will be able to offer "tiered" hotel options- meaning the "show" hotel for one price, and then discounted rates at other hotels affiliated with the hotel for "options."

I am sure there will be an announcement about the new 2014 location at this year's show-

It must be quite an ordeal to move TWO shows at once to a new venue.
 

EllenAtHowards

PFG, Picture Framing God
NAMTA has recently been in Louisville,KY and Indianapolis- both good venues with lots to do.
 

nikfrz

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I remember back in the day, the ABC show. I think Decor sponsored it?? It was held at several different locations during the year, and at least in my location was very well attended.
 

FrameMakers

PFG, Picture Framing God
I remember those too, I also remember at that time, there were a lot more framers and frame shops than there are today.
 

Amy McCray

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Location: I have to chime in that I hate Vegas as a venue! Same old, same old. . . . It is Not cheap to fly there (even with specials) stay there, eat there or play there. It used to be but not any more. So what if it's called the West Coast A&FS? Change it - ignore it - I don't care. It doesn't really matter a hill of beans to me what it's called. I believe it is not very accommodating to always expect everyone to get to that location without ever offering an alternative. Believe it or not, there are numerous cities in the midwest that could and Do handle thousands of people for conferences. St. Louis, Louisville, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, etc., etc. Yes, they even have places to go in the evening. Imagine that.

This is a big country. Let's mix it up a bit. Who knows, maybe the attendance would actually increase.

Carry on.
 

mike

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
Flying in on Southwest Wed, rent car, check into condo, go have fun, Lady Gaga Fri. night, more fun, eat at Hash House a'Go Go, and Firefly(great tappas place), classes, WCA&F show, seeing old friends, meeting new friends, fly out Wed. I love Vegas! See you there, Mike
 

Miranda Smith

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
Moving the show would be great. Otherwise I might end up thinking the whole of the USA is like Las Vegas..




Just kidding (I have visited 27 states).. but there is still more to visit!!

And quit moaning about the cost of your air fares - you should try attending when you live where I do!! (if I come it will be via Singapore, Tokoyo and LA (go figure). Just as quick as via Sydney and LA. Although for $2000 maybe I get a better air fare per mile flown. Who wants to work that out?
 

Amy McCray

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Ugh, my backside hurts just thinking about that! Good point.
 

HB

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I would go every year if it moved around! I can`t believe there is still a fancy hotel (or city for that matter) that allows smoking in public north of Mexico! Blows me away! (And I have nothing against smoking - its just that it should be my decision if & when I want to breathe the stuff!) We can do St Louis, Chicago, texas etc etc
 

Grey Owl

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Denver would be great!

Denver would make a great site.

southwest flies here, the hotels and conventions are smoke free, great things to do, even ski in January, plenty of hotels, and some great Chinese food for Rob's party, and the best....

I wouldn't have to fly!
 

mbboston

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
There is a reason so many trade shows are in Vegas- price of hotels and reasonable airfares from anywhere in the U.S. In addition, it's a fun place and there is always something to do. How much would hotel like Mirage cost in Denver or some other nice and attractive locations?

I can't imagine Robs dinner in Denver- he would have to get electric cars and reserve vegetarian restaurant.

It's impossible to make everyone happy. Some old timers would like a change, while new kids on the block are looking forward to Vegas. Personally, I am happy we have the show at all. Classes are excellent as well as vendor participation.
 

osgood

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
The perfect place would be Sydney, Australia. Who wouldn't want to 'cuddle a koala' or see kangaroos, wombats and many other cute creatures up close???

Come on down!
 

mbboston

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
The perfect place would be Sydney, Australia. Who wouldn't want to 'cuddle a koala' or see kangaroos, wombats and many other cute creatures up close???

Come on down!
I am in!
 

HB

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
The perfect place would be Sydney, Australia. Who wouldn't want to 'cuddle a koala' or see kangaroos, wombats and many other cute creatures up close???

Come on down!
Count me in too!
 

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Does anyone know when the CPF exam is going to be?
 

Cliff Wilson

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Further guess, which has a good chance of being right ;-)

CPF Exam 8 to noon on Sunday Jan 26 at the Mirage.

Anyone interested should check out the Certification tab at ppfa.com, download the Study Guide, etc., or call Laura or Nick - 800 762-9287
 

mbboston

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Further guess, which has a good chance of being right ;-)

CPF Exam 8 to noon on Sunday Jan 26 at the Mirage.

Anyone interested should check out the Certification tab at ppfa.com, download the Study Guide, etc., or call Laura or Nick - 800 762-9287
Awesome. I will pass it on! ;) thnx
 

MnSue

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
class rating

I was just talking to a possible attendee of the show, and the idea came up...

could the classes have "a difficulty/skill level" associated with them?

easiest: 1 ATG Gun - to more advanced skills - 5 Atg Gun maybe???

just a thought...
 

pwalters

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I was just talking to a possible attendee of the show, and the idea came up...

could the classes have "a difficulty/skill level" associated with them?

easiest: 1 ATG Gun - to more advanced skills - 5 Atg Gun maybe???

just a thought...

Good idea. I like the thought of the ATG guns as a ranking system. But it might be fun if we use one of the instructors. I vote for Jim Millers. A tough class has 5 Jim Millers. That would be fun. Little pics of Jim in the programs would be great.
 

Kirstie

PFG, Picture Framing God
If you are considering staying at the Mirage - (there ARE advantages to being able to walk back to your room between/after classes or straight to your classes in the morning) :)-

Note that room rates will GO UP after November 15th.

Early bird room rates are available at host venue, the Mirage Resort & Casino. Starting at only $109 per night!
Just call the Mirage at 702-791-7111, use the West Coast Art & Frame Show discount code WCA13C, and you’ll be on your way.
Act now before November 15, 2012. After November 15, the special show rate will be $130.
(Rate is per night. Tax and resort fee not included.)
Perhaps this should be a sticky as we are a few weeks from the November 15 deadline. We are booking two rooms this year and after hunting for coupons, suites, and so forth, found that this is still the best deal for the Mirage for three people. The total with tax and resort fee for each room is $122. per night. The resort fee is reduced for WCAF with the code Rob provided to $15. per night. As above, Code: WCA13C 702-791-7111 Deposit is one night's stay, $122. Refund policy is 48 hours prior.
 

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Yah! Hurry up and book your roomsand flights.... yet we still have no class list!!!!!!!!Whooohooooo hooooooooooo!
 

Artrageous

PFG, Picture Framing God
There is only one Gaga date, Friday, 1/25
Tickets are on sale through resellers but don't seem to be up at MGM Grand.
Tickets are VERY expensive and are almost sold out.

Oh well. No Bad Romance :-(
They've added another show, Saturday 1/26, 8pm at MGM Grand Garden Arena
 

FrameMakers

PFG, Picture Framing God
Finally got around to booking my room for the show. $197.12 for 4 nights at Harrah's including tax etc. Now to book my classes.
 

Kirstie

PFG, Picture Framing God
Finally booked classes today for me, Jeff, and our daughter, Chelsea. I want to take classes with Chelsea, so I have never taken so many!
Right after the Wed. panel breakfast I plan to spend ALL day at the trade show. Before that it will have to be an hour here and an hour there. Last year's schedule really only allowed us the one day on the trade show floor and it was not enough. I am also reserving a couple of hours on Monday morning for the trade show to get the best close out deals. I know right where I'm going first this year!
 

Randy Jordan

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
I'm not sure about getting a Baer bear hug, (guess it wouldn't bother me if the mood strikes him), as long as it isn't a "triple B" hug.:D But I would certainly consider a "Brief Beckinator" hug in Vegas for sure! Looking forward to seeing everyone again! Which should be much brighter and clearer this year because I just had my second cataract surgery today! Randy J
 
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