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What do you wear?

johnny

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
We've had this conversation before. Reading about this lately, it seemed like a good topic to revisit and to ask in which one of the following do you think you fit.

One school of thought says the following:

If you are doing business with another party and you dress beneath them you're likely to be perceived as showing disrespect for their time/business.

If you dress above them you're perceived as being better than them.

To make them feel the most comfortable, and offer the best possibility for them to like you and therefore be more agreeable to your selling, you should shoot for a tie.

All in relation to the type of customer you most desire.

At times I've been all three. Lately I'm the first one, dressing beneath, especially for the summer. I'm favoring black t shirts and jeans. Crocs because framing for 12 hours a day kills my feet without them and I can hose off the sawdust. The more salespeople that are working on a given day the shabbier I dress and tend to try to do the messiest jobs those days, such as cleaning out the saw room or getting sweaty hand washing the windows.

Still, duty calls and when I have to interact with a customer while dressed in such a way I lead by apologizing for my dress, explaining that I'm doing messy work, and that is nearly always really well received. It shows I respect them.

I say nearly because sometimes it does not work and the people it does not work on are diametrically opposed in terms of value. Stuck up customers bringing in something they do not value to a grubby establishment like mine instead of a gallery in New York where they get all their real work done and they want something like glass replaced for a dime. Not really worried about them except I just further diminished any chance of future business which wasn't great to begin with. The other type tends to be the customers who spend the most though. 5 figures. And I've been chided for my dress before.

But they want a suit and a clean shave, metrosexual look that will put off my average customers.

Can't be all things to all people.

Still, I have to kick the dress up a notch after summer. No idea what I'll do about the shoes. Maybe have two pairs there, sales floor and workshop.

Where do you fall and are you shooting for a tie with the people you most want to be making comfortable?
 
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Artrageous

PFG, Picture Framing God
Being home based and only working wholesale does have some advantages...

Some days I even wear clothes.

Seriously, I'm thankful that I don't need to dress for customers and more importantly to need to look good for them and still be able to get framing done, which isn't a very clean job.
 

Jeff Rodier

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Embroidered polo shirt, cargo shorts and Topsiders w/ no socks. Chinos and socks in the winter (yes the polo shirt is still in place). I wear expensive watches to be sure to appease the uppity customers.
 

JWB9999999

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I wear polo type shirts, generally ones with my store logo on them, slacks, and dress shoes. Occasionally I wear a button down shirt. I want to look professional, without looking too dressy.

T-shirts are banned from my shop employees unless we are painting or doing heavy cleaning that day. I've allowed the girls to wear shorts, but I expect the men to wear pants. Skirts and dresses are fine. Jeans are acceptable if not worn every day. Shirts or tops on girls should not be so revealing as to give my customers a heart attack from exposed cleavage.

Shoes, I tell them to wear what's comfortable. No one can see their feet behind the counter anyway.

No visible tatoos are allowed. If they have one, they have to cover it. No facial piercings and no un-natural hair colors.
 

wpfay

Angry Badger
Depends on what the day has in store for me. Lately I've been working mostly in the garage which is not air conditioned, so nylon hiking shorts, comfy t-shirts and a terry cloth head band to keep the sweat out of my eyes. My aging Asics walking shoes round out the look.
For days when I know I'm going to interface with customers, or I have a off site meeting it's generally a linen camp shirt and casual slacks.


Johnny, look at Merrell shoes. Short of having custom orthotic shoes made I have found these to be the most comfortable, and the most durable. Well worth the money.
 

johnny

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Johnny, look at Merrell shoes. Short of having custom orthotic shoes made I have found these to be the most comfortable, and the most durable. Well worth the money.
Thanks for the tip, I will check them out! Kinda strangely, they are available at the garden center just up the street.
 

MaJa

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I also shoot for the middle. We are on the coast in a large vacation rental / second home area with locals falling into a lower income bracket, if that makes sense.

I were nicer jeans, a tank type shirt, a dressier type shirt, and a stylish jacket with Dasko shoes (very comfy, FYI). I always wear the Carlo Biagi (Pandora type) jewelry that we sell.

AJ wears a polo type shirt and nicer jeans with sneakers.

We are both comfortable, can complete our work, and don't put people off!
 

Ylva

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I like to dress nicely no matter what or where I go/am.

Skirts, dresses, nice sweaters/cardigans/dark jeans/sandals/boots

I don't like sneakers. I hate crocs.

How customers perceive you is not only in what you wear though. I can dress up, but still make sure everyone feels comfortable.

Being a woman; it is sometimes hard enough to get respect in this job. Dressing up helps.
I always wear make up. I get regular haircuts. I just like to look the best I can.
 

freakquency

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
and the beat goes on

I prefer the disheveled look. It is a production hand made product. Requires a smattering of knowledge and know how ... I give off the 'Einstein, I know what I'm doing' vibe. So my clients wholly appreciate my expertise. So yeah, I do not wear my 'best' stuff to work, as it will just get trashed. I talk to customers covered in sawdust, paint, stain or band-aids. They realize I'm a busy worker bee. I never wear pull over shirts, or t-shirts, I never wear anything with 'words' strewn across the front or back. Therefor, it is usually worn jeans, a button down shirt, generally a hawaiian type, and my NB clogs #801 style.
yep.:p
 

MaJa

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Yes, like Ylva ... I always dress this way! You knever know when you are going to run into a current / potential customer.

The only exception is if I am not leaving the house.

Even yesterday. I went to Goodwill, then a campfire on the beach. Make up and jewelry, nice jeans, nice sweater (did put on nice black work boots for the beach to keep the sand out and a North Face jacket to keep me warm).
 

Creative Chicks

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I usually dress nicely for work, but then again this is a very upscale plaza I am in. I wore a nice pair of jeans last week because I was changing blades and pulled out the chopper to clean out chips and clean in general. Surprizing to me was how many comments I got about my apparell that day.

And to Jeff, that is a remark about your watch that rings true for me as of today. For my birthday yesterday Cris got me a Tag Heuer with a diamond bezel and three customers have commented on it already!!!!

People notice what we wear and lately I have come to realize, it matters. If I were in the back room all day and no one saw me, it would be jeans and a shirt, but not the case for me.

Lori
 

simplymatted

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I wear cargo shorts, April till the end of October. Some times t shirt with iron man or batman on it. The winter, jeans, those tan pants? Something long sleeve, sweater maybe. Then in February a few days Ill have a summer days sale. Then its Hawaiian shorts and shirt. With a pair of flippers over my shoulder. Then if the customer wears something "summery" free matte. Had a old girl friend wanted something framed, she had her bikini on, she got free glass too.
 

ArmyFramer

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
Seeing that I wore a uniform for 21 years, almost 24/7/365, I tend to take a more relaxed look. There was a span where if I couldn't buy it at a NASCAR trailer it wasn't in my closet, of course that was 10 years ago.

Now, its cargo shorts, polos/t-shirts and sneakers, both of which have the store logo. If I have a meeting out of the store its the same thing, I just make sure its clean and shake the sawdust off!

I tired the whole look nice and classy thing, up to the point where I ruined a $150 outfit with golden oak stain and paint.
 

Jeff Rodier

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
And to Jeff, that is a remark about your watch that rings true for me as of today. For my birthday yesterday Cris got me a Tag Heuer with a diamond bezel and three customers have commented on it already!!!!
If you pay attention to your customers you will notice how many are checking out the watch. Wearing a Timex will cause customers to think of you as just another person who opened a frame shop. High end watches lend credibility to business statements you make. In a Timex they figure you need the work and then everything is negotiable but with a good watch they realize you are a business person and not just a framer.
 

Framehouse Boutique

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
I have a selection of different, custom embroidered uniforms. Plus, it's super easy to get ready in the morning -- put on the uniform and go.

My uniform consists of either black jeans, or black shorts. Runners or comfortable shoes. Choice of uniform shirt.

Bowling shirt,
Track jacket,
Workwear shirt,
Mechanic shirt,
Hooded shirt,



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Beveled

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I had some nice shop aprons with our slogan, made up for days when we are working on something messy. We dress nicely, and these protect our clothing. The aprons look nice when we are greeting a customer, or they can be quickly taken off if they are soiled.

My employee wears slacks (nicely ironed), dress shoes, with a dress shirt, no tie. I didn't even have to ask him. He just shows up looking nice.

I wear slacks, dress shoes (no heel), and nice dress shirts or cute tops, sweaters, vests, and sometimes blasers.

I like the saying, "you only have one chance to make a good first impression." People will judge you by it.
 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
ORANGE JUMP SUIT!!!!!!!
 

Robo

Grumbler in Training
My Mom instilled in her children to always dress a bit better than your average client. Generally a nice button down shirt with dress slacks and dress shoes is the daily uniform. If I know I am seeing an important client or even "might" be seeing an important client then I break out the tie and even a jacket. I keep a bumaround shirt handy for days I will be in the back but I also always have a dress shirt at the ready. Think about it - No one will ever hold back business from you because they think you are OVERdressed.
 

couture's gallery

PFG, Picture Framing God
I'm primarily in the back, Allora is primarily out at the counter, but we do sometimes have to do both.

I wear cargo shorts year around with a nice florida print short sleeve shirt, Usually wear hiking socks with low hiking boots or sometimes my jungle combat boots Vietnam era ( These are the most comfortable thing I've ever worn and I bought several pair military surplus when I can find them ) .I do wear my Rolex or my aviator watch impress the customers.

Allora wears very fashionable outfits ( she had a Boutique for 20 years ) and she wears a good deal of nice real diamond jewelry and a high end watch. Customers are always commenting on her wedding ring that we jokingly call my 57 Chevy, since I sold my 57 restored Chevy to be able to afford that ring.

I think customers do pay attention to the stuff you wear. I, on the other hand ( with the gals ), notice only how little is worn and pay no attention to fashion.
 

Jeff Rodier

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I bet they get tired of you saying "I've Been Framed".
 

Rhonda in MT

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
We have a pretty easy dress code. No blue jeans. No visible facial jewelry. If you're working in the glass cutting no sandals. I usually wear Worthington pants from JC Penny. They have them long enough, I'm 5'8" and they are virtually indestructable. Also wash and wear no ironing. Then depending on the season, blouses, cotton sweaters, or an occasional T-shirt(we make photo gifts so I wear them to advertise) Shoes depend on what I'm doing that day. I also keep a couple jackets I can throw on if I need to look better and I keep a lot of shoes at work because we have way too much winter. Better not get started on shoes, I could go on and on.

Dansco sandals are the bomb. Love em
 

Framar

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
You guys are kidding about watches, right? Please - tell me you are kidding!

If I thought any single person was looking down their nose at me for my ten dollar, twenty-five year old watch on the ragged Timex velcro band I would boot them out of my shop pronto. Someday when I get the money I am even going to have it put into a new casing because I like it - it looks very steampunk.

I am an artist. I dress like an artist. People expect this of me. ;)
 

Jeff Rodier

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
It's all part of your personality Lucy, just like the hats.:thumbsup:
 

Framar

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Frankenthread:

Years ago I was dating a guy who boasted to me that he had a Rolex. I was unimpressed because I had never heard of Rolex, so he went into great detail of how wonderful and how expensive it was. I asked him if I could see this marvel.

He exclaimed that it was far too valuable for him to wear so he kept it in a safety deposit box.

It always seemed to me that that was a pretty poor excuse for a way to tell time, what with keeping your watch in a bank vault and all.

End of Frankenthread.
 

creosome

In Corner
Nice fitting jeans, not too loose and not too tight, with a clean polo, watch, and ofcourse, my visible tattoos.

The ink is simply another form or art, anybody who sees it as otherwise needs to loosen up.

Besides, I let my design and craftsmanship make the impression that counts and once their skepticism is put aside, they look right past all that and open up for some nice conversation.
 

artfolio

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I always go for the "smart casual" look. The way I see it I work with my hands so there is nothing wrong with wearing working clothes. Ties are actually dangerous around machinery, as is anything else loose and flapping.

I wear navy blue cotton drill pants for winter or shorts in summer. Royal Blue polo shirt with the shop logo on the pocket. Navy blue cotton windcheater with the embroidered logo for winter. Black lace-up shoes always - I value my feet too much to wear joggers, sandals, crocs or anything else.

Above all - shave every day and comb what is left of the hair. Personal grooming says much more about a person than their choice of clothing.
 

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
I don't like sneakers. I hate crocs.
I always wear make up. I get regular haircuts. I just like to look the best I can.
I LOVE YOU Ylva! :D


I wear JEGGINGS of course!!!!!!! ;)

Anything comfy....... I try not to look like I only got 3 hours of sleep.......
Dresses..... skirts.... usually its something dark..... most of the time I have spit up spots on me........ :shrug:
 

blackiris

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Above all - shave every day and comb what is left of the hair. Personal grooming says much more about a person than their choice of clothing.
If there is never a TRUER statement...... PLEASE READ the ABOVE!! :D
 

Pangolin

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I wear jeans nearly everyday - always clean, no holes, rips, or tears. Once in awhile I wear cords in the winter.

A tank top covered by a button down dress shirt. Sometimes in the winter I'll wear a sweater if I'm not doing messy work. On Saturdays suring football season I occasionaly wear an OSU shirt, since I'm only a couple miles from the university. I roll my sleeves up becuase most shirt sleeves are so long on me that they get in the way.

I usually wear some of my own chainmail jewelry which is also for sale in the shop. I usually have my hair pulled back in a ponytail, because it keeps it out of the glue, stain, and other work. I may or may not have my rings on depending on what kind of work I'm doing. I have two piercings each in my ears, and I've gotten several comments that it makes me "look artsy"... I figure that must be a good thing in a frame shop.

Shoes - on days I'm working on heavy moving or more dangerous work, I wear the steel-toes .... they've saved my feet many a time at this job and several others. Saturdays I may come in with the cowboy boots on. The rest of the time I wear tennis or hiking shoes ... a two-floor shop with a bad knee requires shoes I can actually climb stairs in.

Many of my customers visit me in a variety of casual outfits - work-out gear, swimsuits (there's a pool behind my shop), jeans & grass cutting clothes ... but I also get some in dress casual and a suit now and then, so I try to dress middle-ground and use my charming and friendly personailty to even out any other discrepansies between me and customers.

As for all those nice watches some of you have ... As cool as it would be, I'm pretty sure I won't be getting a Tag Hauer before David does, and I'm pretty sure that would cut into our budget for ramen!
 

johnny

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
As for all those nice watches some of you have ... As cool as it would be, I'm pretty sure I won't be getting a Tag Hauer before David does, and I'm pretty sure that would cut into our budget for ramen!
Actually I've been watching Tag Hauer on eBay and just missed a used one for $200 because I went next door to get a free hot dog!
 

David N Waldmann

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Actually I've been watching Tag Hauer on eBay and just missed a used one for $200 because I went next door to get a free hot dog!
They have this new feature on eBay where you put in your maximum bid and the computer will bid for you as required...
 

johnny

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
They have this new feature on eBay where you put in your maximum bid and the computer will bid for you as required...
Ya but that drives up the price. I bid what I'm willing to spend with 5 seconds or less left so the other guy can't drive my bid up. There are services that do that for you too, some free, but since I rarely buy anything on eBay anymore I just had my screen up and forgot about it when I Homer Simpsoned myself into the hot dog zone. Also got some free Cleveland Browns highball glasses!

The gas station at the corner had a free hot dog promotion with additional prizes. I had to laugh, because I just got fire inspected again and got cited for having a little bulb burned out in the back Exit sign, yet these guys have an open charcoal BBQ going 15 feet away from 8 gas pumps.
 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
Yea and is it funny people who work at gas stations are always lighting up cigs on the premise...what the heck!
 

shayla

WOW Framer
It varies with me. In the summer, I wear more sarongs,
and in the winter, my black jeans. I have about four pairs
of black jeans, and this winter I wore them like a uniform
until the sun came out in April and I remembered I was alive.
 

FrameMakers

PFG, Picture Framing God
In the summer, cargo shorts and either an embroidered polo or short sleeve button down shirt and sneakers. In the winter I go for jeans or dockers and a long sleeve button down embroidered shirt. I have them in a number of colors to give my life a little variety.

I do wear a decent watch, nothing like a Tag Heuer or a Rolex though.

 

Jeff Rodier

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
The chronometer watch is very important Dave. That way when an uber cheapie is annoying you one can tell within a tenth of a second it is time for them to go somewhere else. I have one that can tell me within a 20th of a second but don't wear it to work anymore since the 18k bezel was getting scuffed up.:shutup:
 

MabSadie2

PFG, Picture Framing God
The way I see it, I spend well over half my waking life in this store and I'm not going to do it in a uniform, even a pseudo uniform like khakis. I burned all my khakis and polos the day I left Starbucks.

I wear whatever I feel like. Even a faded black t-shirt with ART CAN'T HURT YOU scrawled across it.

But that's rare. About 1/4 of the time I wear a flannel and jeans. Denim skirts and knee high riding boots are pretty much my uniform for the other 3/4.

I do wear an apron, but that's to protect my clothes.
 

Grey Owl

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I normally wear a dress shirt and black jeans. Shoes are comfortable. Face clean shaven, and a smile.

My scrunchy is normally a dull color unless I really feel depressed, then it is florescent orange or green.

I don't wear a watch, because If I wear a watch I may look at it and the customer may think I'm in a rush.

Also important is how your shop looks. I try to keep the floors and shop area very clean. If they see clutter, they will believe their artwork will be sloppily handled.
 

matage

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
I'm probably in the minority, but I wear a button up shirt and tie every single day (despite all those warnings in shop class about not wearing a tie while operating power saws)

I worked for a shop where the owner dressed like he was headed to the beach, and back then I always told myself "if I ever have my own shop, I'll make sure and dress as professional as possible" and now that I have my own shop I've held my self to that promise. Its a little bit of a pain, and Ive stained up a lot of dress clothing but I get complimented every by customers that appreciate my professionalism.
 

homeaccents

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
Business casual.

I worked in the "corporate" world for 3 years where dress attire was mandatory before opening my shop, and from that experience I learned that dresses and suits are just not me.
 
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