The point is, it is an internet forum for professional picture framers and anyone (such as artists, photographers, etc.) who is interested in picture framing as it relates to their own business. Some of the attitudes expressed on here are less than professional and do nothing to add to the discussion. Things are said that probably shouldn't be said in the first place. Instead of piling on and adding fuel to the fire, as happens far too often here, the person making those comments should be given a reminder that this is a professional forum open to all interested in picture framing and not a the place for artist bashing, photographer bashing, etc. This is one of the few things I find wrong with the Grumble, that sometimes the standards are too loose on here. This is a good forum but we are alienating people by some of our attitudes; nice people with good ideas and years of experience to share who feel intimidated to post. It shouldn't be a free for all. I realise the job of moderator is a difficult one and they can't be everywhere at once. Perhaps the Grumble has grown to the point were there needs to be more people moderating to keep up with things on here.