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Question What type of glue to use?

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by LWells, Nov 14, 2017 at 3:46 PM.

  1. LWells

    LWells Grumbler

    What type of glue should be used to adhere the plastic coating back onto it's frame? I don't know if the photo of it will show up, not sure if I uploaded it correctly
     

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  2. alacrity8

    alacrity8 CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I tend to use the glue called "A new frame"
    The plastic coating has fallen off because the original glue failed.
    This is most likely due to expansion, or shrinkage in the wooden frame.
    The other sides are most likely ready to fail as well.
     
  3. CB Art & Framing

    CB Art & Framing SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    These Formica frames from the 80's were notorious for delaminating. Trash it
     
  4. LWells

    LWells Grumbler

    Thanks for the info. The customer want's to do the gluing himself, he just wondered what type of adhesive to use, I don't have to mess with it luckily. I'm not sure what "A New Frame" glue is or where to get it but would wood glue work?
     
  5. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    He was being sarcastic. He was strongly suggesting you trash the frame and sell them "A New Frame".
     
  6. Melinda Tennis

    Melinda Tennis CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I have gotten a new stick of moulding, FREE, from Framerica, if they have it, when a customer's was de-laminated.
     
  7. scottk

    scottk CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Contact cement will work but first clean the old adhesive off from both surfaces (next to impossible). You then to need to make sure when fitting back together that mitre's line up perfectly. Brayer the **** out of it.
    If the customer is doing it he'll be back shortly to buy a new frame.
    Scott
     
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  8. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    The original adhesive was probably a commercial grade contact cement* that was sprayed on to both surfaces with an HVLP rig. Even if you can clean the old adhesive off, applying a perfectly uniform coat other than spraying is next to impossible.
    If they can get a uniform coat of contact cement, the next challenge is lining it up perfectly the first time, because there are no second chances.
    Beware giving too much advice to the customer. If you do and the job fails, they may hold you responsible for that failure.
    My council would be to suggest reframing, and avoid getting wrapped up in someone else's problem.
    You could direct them to the website http://www.thistothat.com/

    *Requiring commercial exhaust system because of flammable toxic fumes.
     
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  9. LWells

    LWells Grumbler

    A New Frame....duh! lol :rolleyes:
    Thanks for all the responses. I'm usually very careful on how I word any type of "advice" with my customers, this one I'm not worried about though, old high school teacher of mine, he's cool. I'll just suggest the contact cement....or....peel it all off & paint it, or....A New Frame!
     
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  10. CB Art & Framing

    CB Art & Framing SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

  11. LWells

    LWells Grumbler

    I wondered about wood glue, like Titebond or others that he can pick up at the hardware store. I aint givin him any of my corner weld! I like the guy & all but....
     
  12. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    You could try Spraymount (sorry for the profanity). Mask off all the areas not to be glued. Spray both surfaces and wait
    until it has 'flashed off'. Then you just need to position it perfectly first go. :confused: If you manage that wrap it with cling film and
    go over it with a roller. Worth a go. Well almost.

    It's one of those jobs that looks simple (especially to a teacher :p), but is anything but. Do a new frame if poss. :D
     
  13. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Oh man, a Rocky and Bullwinkle cel - deserves a swell new frame! Those mica frames are terrible things.
     
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  14. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    That, apparently, is an opinion. And one not held by the human race in its entirety.
     
  15. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    What, David? I thought someone who deals in fine hardwood would be appalled at mica-covered anything! ;)
     
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  16. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    :D If it were not for the finger joints I would be inclined to pull off the other bits and polish the pine up. :cool:
     
  17. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    Universal's Country Colors line is notorious for visible finger joins. I have stopped selling most of it. I saw one vendor online advertising the finger joins as a feature not a bug.
     
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  18. DVieau2

    DVieau2 PFG, Picture Framing God

    I also received a free replacement frame for a customer from LJ (Framerica distributor).

    Good PR.
     
  19. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Oh, it's MY opinion as well. But it appears someone(s) paid money for that blob, therefore my conclusion.
     
  20. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    LOL - they were a hot item in the eighties! (I preferred metals meself!) ;)
     
  21. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I'm not sure that's any better. Sorry...

    However, due to other mitigating factors I'm not ready to write you off completely. See that you do better from here on out and there is still a chance of redemption for you.
     
  22. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I do own several hideous mica frames which have amazingly enough not delaminated. Does that restore the sheen to my reputation?
     
  23. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    Mar, Your reputation has Never lost it's sheen....:D
     
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  24. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    And now we have completely turned off yet another Grumbler who will shift over to Facebook and regale the denizens therein how Grumblers derail topics (it's called Frankenthreading) and respond rudely to serious inquiries.

    What kind of glue? Contact cement. Very carefully - and yes - pry off the mica on all the rails because if one has failed, the rest will so nip it in the bud and re-glue all of them.
     
  25. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    While some may claim otherwise I don't think it's been Marred beyond repair.
     
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  26. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

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