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Help Who mounts large digital prints?

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by Jim Miller, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    A graphic designer has asked me to help him find a good source for mounting of large digital prints (photographic images), preferably within reasonable driving distance from central Ohio. He has found a company in Cincinnati that claims to be able to do the job, but since he expects to do more work in dimensions like this, he would like to know of other sources for mounting.

    The project at hand is about 105" x 54", and he would like to have it mounted on 1/2" Gatorfoam, ACM, or similar sheeting. I've already build the black floater frame to go around it.

    Any suggestions?
     
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  2. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

  3. DVieau2

    DVieau2 PFG, Picture Framing God

    When possible, it's best to have the place making the print also do the mounting.
     
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  4. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    The client has been printing his own for several years now. He also mounts (using Kool Tack, mostly) in vacuum presses up to 40" x 60". That's his limit, presently. I wouldn't be surprised if he buys a bigger mounting machine of some sort, but that won't get the job done this week.

    The billboard-size prints seem to be a new thing for some of his corporate customers. They just keep getting bigger.
     
  5. CB Art & Framing

    CB Art & Framing SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Sign or large format printing company.
    Or print on canvas?
     
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  6. Lafontsee

    Lafontsee CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    We have a large cold mount press in the shop in west Michigan, but have had problems with prints staying stuck down when the edges are exposed like in a float frame. I suspect that paper, being hygroscopic, expands and contracts on top of the ACM loosening the bond of pressure sensitive adhesives. (I'd be curious if others have encountered this and what solutions you've arrived at such as specific adhesive/paper combinations.)

    If the edges are not being covered and the piece not glazed. We recommend canvas gallery wrapped prints.

    James
     
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  7. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    For pieces of this scale, printing on canvas and mounting on bars is the elegant solution. Lightweight, stays flat and can be disassembled
    and rolled up if need be. A paper print mounted on board will suffer bad effects long-term. Bowing, twisting, de-lamination, etc. These defects
    are mostly impossible to fix. Canvas printing is no good for hi-gloss prints, but canvas comes in various grades of coarseness and the finer weaves
    would be almost imperceptible on this scale. Mounting a hi-gloss print on a surface of this acreage is not an easy task.

    I've got a old hard-bed press and in theory could do this job. It would take a lot of 'bites' tough and I would probably have to knock a wall down. :confused:

    I wasn't volunteering btw. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. IFGL

    IFGL SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    If you were to take it on, hypothetically of course, how many thousands would you charge?
     
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  9. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    I agree with the canvas print idea.
    We can mount digital prints but only about 50" x 120" not the 54".
    I have posted this before.
    This is a 72" x 112" canvas print that I stretched and framed...
    (the white blotch is my head and I'm faking the pose....:p)
    We were given the canvas already printed and just rolled up.
    Screen Shot 2019-05-19 at 2.59.21 PM.png
     
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2019
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  10. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Well..... Consider the cost my end. I would have to buy a 8x4 carrier board. MDF probably 25mm thick.
    And source a board to stick it to. And get it here with no dings.
    Tissue or more likely Film. I think I could get it 54" wide, not sure so that's another complication if I had to splice it.
    Two big lads to move the press. It's in a corner at the mo, where it's been for 25 years. I do use it occasionally for big jobs
    but you have to be a contortionist.
    Say 20 bites about 20 mins per bite. So it's a long day's job. And I'd have to pay the two big lads to be there to manoeuvre it.
    Reaching over to tighten the wheel would be awkward.
    The workshop would be monopolised for a day at least. Then the logistics of moving the beast. It would need to go out the door asap.
    Then another day spent putting the workshop back where it was. (With the big lads).
    Press heated all day. Electricity.

    I'd say I'm down 1000GBP before I start and that's assuming nothing goes pear-shaped and I had to start again.

    All in all, a non starter. o_O
     
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  11. misterbob

    misterbob Grumbler

    Fine Art Services in Los Angeles can do it. It will be very expensive to ship to you. Also, I think Duggal in Brooklyn can do it. Finding someone to mount a print that big isn't that hard, but the choice of what they mount it to will be very limited. Have you considered mounting it to aluminum?
    If you can have the printer mount it, do it! If you take a clients print to another company to be mounted, you are on the hook for whatever damage they do to it. Ask me how I know!
     
  12. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I've always been a bit iffy about printers who do not or are not willing to mount their own prints.

    I've had several instances of people bringing in prints that "a friend" has done at a "good price" which
    were very delicate. Ink flaking off or a cross look leaving a mark. These days it's not too expensive to set
    up a printing service and many people get the kit and call themselves printers. If they are not prepared to
    mount their work, that sends a message. o_O
     
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  13. Lafontsee

    Lafontsee CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    The more I think about it, I wonder if they could get a sign manufacturer with a huge flatbed printer to print directly to ACM. This way they would avoid any issues with de-lamination.

    James
     
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  14. IFGL

    IFGL SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    What you have said Peter is to some extent true but there are plenty of excepions to that, Jims client here is a graphic designer that prints his own work but the giclee printers these days can be very big and easily print way over the size that you would expect a graphic desiger to be able to mount, I would expect his 40 x 60 hot press would be more than capable of mounting 99.999% of all the work he does and it would most likely be uneconomical for his client to buy equipment bigger than what they have.

    There is probably a very good reason for him printing his own work, he will have total control over the output and if they regularly calibrate their equipment it will be hard to find a printer to beat their own results, we for instance have clients as far away as France that use us because they were unable to get the results they wanted locally, we have work regularly going to London and Wales, hundreds of miles away that have found us through word of mouth, you would be suprised at how many printers do not calibrate and struggle with corect colour reproduction.
    One major problem we have found is that when one of these companies goes bust and we pick up a client all their files often need adjusting as they had gone through a trial and error process of print adjust colours, reprint adjust colours and so on.
    Our screen soft proof is correct in the first place, what you see is what you get, some of these files that have gone through the trial and error method with uncalibrated equipment can be wildly out when printed with calibrated equipment.
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2019
  15. UzZx32QU

    UzZx32QU Administrator Staff Member

    Consider Laminall as the adhesive. Good Luck with the rest. I'd stay away from DM tissues at that size. I'm glad I'm retired...

    Bill
     
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  16. wpfay

    wpfay Angry Badger

    Look up distributors for brand name commercial large format roller laminators, and find out from them who in your area has purchased one. There are about 5 businesses within 20 miles of me who have the capability of mounting something that size. The problem is getting them to agree to do it.
    Quick Google search came up with this one.
    https://lloydsofindiana.com/commercial-laminators/
     
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  17. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Thanks for all the suggestions. I believe my client has found a laminating company that will meet his expectation of perfection for this project. He may be shopping for a larger laminating machine, too.
     
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