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Question Why Are Oak Woods Hard To Find ??

SouthernFramer

Grumbler in Training
In January (my slowest month) I decided to go over my corner sample racks. I noticed I have more Blacks than any other color. my question is why are Oak Woods getting hard to find from suppliers. I am talking about finished woods. I have less than 12 samples of Oak Frames. I have corner samples from International Moulding, Colonial Moulding, Decor Moulding/Southern Moulding , Larson Juhl, Rustic Creations and Bravura. Bravura Has the most oaks yet they are quatersawn and shipped from Wisconson and tend to be on the high side for retail. Also White Mouldings are getting hard to find as well. Do I need to pickup another supplier or is the just a trend ?? because made in America Mouldings are getting harder to find.
 
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neilframer

PFG, Picture Framing God
Welcome to the Grumble.
One thing I have found personally is that Oak was very popular when I framed in the 70's,80's and 90's but now as far as hardwoods I sell mostly Walnut, Cherry and Mahogany. I think people now prefer the tighter, close even grain of those woods.
Of course everything tends to go in trends and tastes change and people might prefer Oak again. :shrug:
 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
I had someone coming in looking for oaks, I had about 2. nothing they wanted. I had to have it milled and finished myself.

As far as whites go there are more out there now than there have ever been from what I can tell.
 

RParrish

PFG, Picture Framing God
Used to be when oak was poplar :icon21: maple was cheap, now maple is $$$$ and oak is cheap.
 

Riverwood

CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2
I think I heard LJ was coming out with new oaks....sometime this spring???
 

johnny

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I think I heard LJ was coming out with new oaks....sometime this spring???
I still sold oaks and my rep assured me that they would be coming out with a new line when he told me they were discontinuing many of the old ones. Then they came out with Chambord, which has waterguilded panels on it and is very angular, and only available as chops from Chicago. I hope that's not what he meant but I fear that it is. If anyone still has a market for them it sounds like a good opportunity to get into finishing your own milled moulding. :)

 

David N Waldmann

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
We offer most of our profiles in Red Oak, but they are our slowest seller by far. I think, as others have said or implied, that there is much less demand for oak "now" (in the last two decades) so most companies have just dumped them rather than allowing them to take up space and ruin their inventory turns statistics.
 

EllenAtHowards

PFG, Picture Framing God
Still selling oak here. Gonna be hard when my stash runs out... or maybe it will be back in style again.
 

John Ranes II CPF GCF

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
neilframer said:
...One thing I have found personally is that Oak was very popular when I framed in the 70's,80's and 90's but now... Of course everything tends to go in trends and tastes change and people might prefer Oak again. :shrug:
I certainly hope not! :D RIP Oak frames

John
 

wvframer

MGF, Master Grumble Framer
Bruce, can you elaborate? I knew that most of the "oak" frames I used to get were ash, but the reason I am hearing that I can't get them any more is that they are not being manufactured. Is there a problem with the wood supply?

The truth is, not much moulding is being manufactured that does not have some kind of faux finish. LJ has a few. The only exception I know of is Vermont Hardwoods, where everything is real. David's oak is a thing of beauty, but worlds above the things I used to get in terms of looks, quality and price. The customers I have who would select a finished wood frame are far more likely to select maple when they want a lighter finish.

Oaks remain popular with a segment of the market here, but it is on the lower end of the economic scale. I have noticed that the mass-marketers are not offering much oak in their framed art depts. I have some stock left, but don't think it will last through the year. This time last year, I had about 50 choices in an oak finish.
 

David N Waldmann

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
I knew that most of the "oak" frames I used to get were ash, but the reason I am hearing that I can't get them any more is that they are not being manufactured. Is there a problem with the wood supply?
Ash has a few problems, the latest and largest of which is the Emerald Ash Borer:

Emerald ash borer (EAB), Agrilus planipennis Fairmaire, is an exotic beetle that was discovered in southeastern Michigan near Detroit in the summer of 2002. The adult beetles nibble on ash foliage but cause little damage. The larvae (the immature stage) feed on the inner bark of ash trees, disrupting the tree's ability to transport water and nutrients. Emerald ash borer probably arrived in the United States on solid wood packing material carried in cargo ships or airplanes originating in its native Asia. Emerald ash borer is also established in Windsor, Ontario, was found in Ohio in 2003, northern Indiana in 2004, northern Illinois and Maryland in 2006, western Pennsylvania and West Virginia in 2007, Wisconsin, Missouri and Virginia in summer 2008, Minnesota, New York, Kentucky in the spring of 2009, Iowa in spring of 2010, and Tennessee in the summer of 2010 . Since its discovery, EAB has:
  • Killed tens of millions of ash trees in southeastern Michigan alone, with tens of millions more lost in Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Minnesota, Missouri, New York, Ohio, Ontario, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Quebec, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.
  • Caused regulatory agencies and the USDA to enforce quarantines (Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio, New York, Ontario, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Kentucky) and fines to prevent potentially infested ash trees, logs or hardwood firewood from moving out of areas where EAB occurs.
  • Cost municipalities, property owners, nursery operators and forest products industries tens of millions of dollars.
 

Pat Murphey

SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Unfortunately, here when a customer says, "I just want an oak frame", they mean the same thing as, "I just want a plain black frame" - CHEAP. With all the discontinueds there is not much to offer from my "delivery" suppliers and I don't want to get into chop/length shipping for rare individual cheap frame orders.
:popc:
 

adkres

True Grumbler
Quadrant Moulding just sent me 3 trays of oak, Hardwood samples.
Made In The USA!!!
And They are on the G.
Check Them Out.
 

art attack

CGF, Certified Grumble Framer
To add to what David Waldmann spoke of concerning the Emerald Ash Borer. I read recently about an entire forest of mature Ash trees having to be destroyed due to this beetle/bug. I know that we have it in Southwest Michigan and Northern Indiana. I've seen the DNR put out wood scraps along some of the roads to try and get an idea of how bad infestation in the area is. Unfortunately, they have gotten so bad that a person can't go in to a woods owned by a lumber company for example, and cut the limbwood or tops and transport them to your own property for fear of spreading the problem. The only way that you can is if you are an adjoining land owner. This unfortunatley is a huge waste of good wood that people could use for home heating etc. I think the days of ash wood products are definitely numbered.
 
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