Question Zeolites for Dummies

not sure blind faith is either
Blind??? I do not think so!

"new special at your local restaurant"? I don't get the connection. Zeolytes in Alphamat is not new by a long shot.

The information from Hugh Phibbs is very good and very reliable:
The Bainbridge zeolites are organo-philic and hydro-phobic, which means that they will take up pollutants that one would worry about, including oxidizing gases, without filling up with water and becoming useless. They are in the paper that comprises the inner plys of their 4 ply boards and not in the glue. One can discern their presence by opening the board and feeling its inner plys or bending it and noticing how much more it is likely to crack than a non-zeolite board would if folded the same way. Zeoloites can be made to release their pollutant load if they are heated, but the only way to know just what that temperature is for a specific zeolite would be to text that one, in situ. If that temperature were exceeded, any escaping pollutant would encouter the calcium carbonate that is also in the board. Since they are hydro-phobes, being in a glue or in water used to make paper is not a problem and they may be able to function in a plastic matrix, as the expanded copper in Corrosion Intercept does.



Hugh
 
so what about the offgassing at 140 that was mentioned earlier

how are products like the accurately independantly tested? not tested by someone with a connection to the company
 
At 140F the viewing of art would be the least of your worries - but as explained, if the zeolites did release, there would still be the buffers found in non-microchamber boards ... if the art had not melted.

Do you not think that, seeing how long these boards have been around, that they have not been tested impartially? Of course they have and Hugh's points are proof of that - plus the competition have bust their guts trying to diss it - and miserably failed to - and the simple truths are that ...

a. If NB hadn't patented it, they'd all be doing it.

b. Even without it, artcare boards are up there with the best preservation boards available, don't cost any, or much more (and in some cases less), have more colours, finishes, thicknesses, oversized boards and coloured cores than many, are available pretty much worldwide and are just 'nice' boards.

c. The techonology was already proven - NB just brought it to the framing world.
 
a. If NB hadn't patented it, they'd all be doing it.

Just having fun saying this, but isn't it like drugs. eventually after 5 or 10 years people can copy it legally? its how we get knock off drugs... knock off mats would be funny, lol
 
I'm still amazed. Why bother framing at all if you can't rely on industry standard products?

"What, me worry?" :kaffeetrinker_2:
 
Just having fun saying this, but isn't it like drugs. eventually after 5 or 10 years people can copy it legally? its how we get knock off drugs... knock off mats would be funny, lol

Think of the patent as more like an iPorn..... nobody can knock it off generically
(even if they wanted to) until 2068 . . . the same year Microsoft stops making
Bloatware.

Drugs and their patents come under the purview of FDA (found dead again)...
and they control the content and time of exclusivity.
 
Any body can get a patent for a newer better prcoess of using zeolites in their board. The paper clip has gone through some 20,000 patents and some of them were just for the way the wire gets bent on the machines.

Patents are currently granted for 20 years and prior to a date in 1995 they only lasted 17 years.

http://www.uspto.gov/inventors/patents.jsp#heading-5
 
ArtCare may be the only matboard product line containing zeolite, but that is exclusive only in a small way, as alternative zeolite-laden paper products are readily available to serve the same purpose in a framing package. Here's one example.

If other matboard makers wanted to put zeolite into their boards, they surely could do it without violating the Bainbridge patent. So, why do they not do it? Perhaps they consider the market to be limited, or the potential benefit of offering a "me-too" product line to be not worthwhile.
 
Jim, the site in your link (which I already knew about) states that the microchamber technology is patented and on their framing materials pages they use the words 'artcare' and 'alpharag' which are NB terminology.

Also the reference No's and colours seem to be NB reference No's and colours and they plug/name NB on their site - and as far as I have looked, don't name any other supplier/manufacturer. I'm pretty sure NB (UK at least) have used some of the exact same comparison images in their literature too.

Are they a NB spin-off/affiliation I wonder? No clue ref their UK contact details.
 
Jim, the site in your link (which I already knew about) states that the microchamber technology is patented and on their framing materials pages they use the words 'artcare' and 'alpharag' which are NB terminology.

They refer to Microchamber paper separately from ArtCare boards, but perhaps you are correct, maybe Bainbridge makes both products. But the point is that ArtCare matboards are not the only way to get zeolites into a frame package. Also, couldn't zeolites be added in other forms, as well?

Here is an interesting article on zeolite-based nanosized titanium dioxide photocatalytic paper.
 
Here is another patent regarding zeolites in paper, and I didn't see any references to Bainbridge. This article about "natural zeolite and its use in papermaking and paper coating", seems to indicate that ArtCare is not the only product for the purpose.

Regardless, framers who want a zeolite additive can use ArtCare matboards conveniently. Another question is, how do we in retail framing know when any zeolite additive is actually beneficial?
 
someone was like, what if you have the BB mats, but use non acid free backing paper. do they cross themselves out. :p

:bdh::bdh::bdh::bdh::bdh::bdh::bdh::bdh::bdh:
 
Microchamber zeolite papers have been around since the mid '90's, and there was a lot of testing done at the time. Artcare uses the same zeolites. The info on it and test results are easy to find on line; google Microchamber + Rempel (the guy at CCI who did initial tests) and a lot will come up. By now the product is pretty tried and true, no need to angst :).
 
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